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Enforcement is the state forcing its will on you eliminating the individual’s ability to evaluate risk. Eric Garner is dead because of government rule flexing y

Enforcement is the state forcing its will on you eliminating the individual’s ability to evaluate risk. Eric Garner is dead because of government rule flexing you suggest. The government should buy ads showing the efficacy of face masks and use the ad council to pretty it up. If you have politically connected individuals flouting the rules, people will salami tactics their way to not wearing the masks. *edit: thanks for the word correction suggestion.

recursive 6y ago
FYI it's "flouting".
blisseyGo 6y ago
It's amazing how HN is downvoting your comment for a pretty thoughtful point. I posted a comment with studies and got downvoted too. Seems like HN is turning into Reddit.
- dang 6y ago
  Please read and follow all of the site guidelines, but note particularly the last two: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
anarazel 6y ago
> Enforcement is the state forcing its will on you eliminating the individual’s ability to evaluate risk. Except that the primary benefit of masks wrt covid is to significantly reduce the likelihood of the wearer to spread covid (by reducing how much spit escapes ones mouth). So the decision to wear/not wear is not directly about the decider's risk, it's about societal risk.
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  That's a myth which keeps getting repeated. I posted multiple studies which debunk it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23825646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23825646
  - anarazel 6y ago
    They don't debunk anything. The last study you quote says "this highlights the importance of safety practices including face masks and ocular contact precautions in preventing the spread of COVID-19 disease.". Another is a meta-study of very few low quality studies. The osha guidelines are essentially just explaining that respirators are important in some settings, which nobody serious doubts. Another just determines that respirators are more effective than cloth masks. Doh. Just quoting a bunch of half related studies doesn't make a fact.
    - blisseyGo 6y ago
      How is it half related? The first study I cited states: > There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. I cited multiple studies. No idea where your "bunch of half related studies" is coming from. Your comment comes off as condescending.
      - yodon 6y ago
        Journal of the American Medical Association has a more recent publication on this question with current results from Covid-19 data as opposed to earlier viruses[0]. Their conclusion is the same as the consensus conclusion here on HN, that masks can play a significant role in preventing the spread of Covid-19. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532
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recursive 6y ago

FYI it's "flouting".

blisseyGo 6y ago

It's amazing how HN is downvoting your comment for a pretty thoughtful point. I posted a comment with studies and got downvoted too. Seems like HN is turning into Reddit.

dang 6y ago
Please read and follow all of the site guidelines, but note particularly the last two: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

anarazel 6y ago

> Enforcement is the state forcing its will on you eliminating the individual’s ability to evaluate risk. Except that the primary benefit of masks wrt covid is to significantly reduce the likelihood of the wearer to spread covid (by reducing how much spit escapes ones mouth). So the decision to wear/not wear is not directly about the decider's risk, it's about societal risk.

blisseyGo 6y ago
That's a myth which keeps getting repeated. I posted multiple studies which debunk it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23825646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23825646
- anarazel 6y ago
  They don't debunk anything. The last study you quote says "this highlights the importance of safety practices including face masks and ocular contact precautions in preventing the spread of COVID-19 disease.". Another is a meta-study of very few low quality studies. The osha guidelines are essentially just explaining that respirators are important in some settings, which nobody serious doubts. Another just determines that respirators are more effective than cloth masks. Doh. Just quoting a bunch of half related studies doesn't make a fact.
  - blisseyGo 6y ago
    How is it half related? The first study I cited states: > There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. I cited multiple studies. No idea where your "bunch of half related studies" is coming from. Your comment comes off as condescending.
    - yodon 6y ago
      Journal of the American Medical Association has a more recent publication on this question with current results from Covid-19 data as opposed to earlier viruses[0]. Their conclusion is the same as the consensus conclusion here on HN, that masks can play a significant role in preventing the spread of Covid-19. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532
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