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It seems like Finder was designed to hide the filesystem. In a normal file manager you start in your home directory and have a toolbar at the top allowing you t

It seems like Finder was designed to hide the filesystem. In a normal file manager you start in your home directory and have a toolbar at the top allowing you to easily change your current path, see where exactly on the actual filesystem hierarchy your are etc. Finder seems to like to show you what seem like various 'views' of things but these views aren't actual folders or at lest usually don't contain what you would think the folder would or it doesn't initially open where you'd expect it to, if you want to go to an actual particular folder, (once you even figure out where you are if you have any amount of complexity to your FS hierarchy), it has to be done via a nested menu item, (Go=>Go to folder), where it should be front and center, most managers have it under or as part of the menubar itself. The search doesn't seem to work much of the time, unless one uses Spotlight for everything, no dual pane support & tab support is very, very recent. Not to mention it doesn't seem to remember my view/display preferences for any length of time, doesn't have sane right click options, (it didn't even have copy paste last time I bothered to check). I am probably forgetting a bunch of things since I long switched to alternatives like Path Finder & Forklift, but of course you can't even remove it from the dock if you don't use it.

boardwaalk 6y ago
> In a normal file manager you start in your home directory A new Finder window opens to the Documents folder by default, though this is configurable in preferences. You can set it to your home directory > Finder seems to like to show you what seem like various 'views' of things but these views aren't actual folders or at lest usually don't contain what you would think the folder would I've... never seen this. Are you talking about tags maybe? Or having an active search? > (once you even figure out where you are if you have any amount of complexity to your FS hierarchy) If you right click the folder name in title bar you get a list of path segments. You can also turn on 'Show Path Bar' and get a breadcrumb-style control. > it has to be done via a nested menu item, (Go=>Go to folder) There's a shortcut, cmd-shift-G, listed on that menu item. > The search doesn't seem to work much of the time Haven't had a problem with it, though I usually use find and grep on the command line. > no dual pane support You can tile two finder windows side-by-side. > tab support is very, very recent. Tab support is seven years old. > (it didn't even have copy paste last time I bothered to check). It does. It doesn't have cut and paste though, but drag and drop works to move.
- WillPostForFood 6y ago
  It actually does have cut-paste/move: Command-c Command+Option-v
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > You can also turn on 'Show Path Bar' and get a breadcrumb-style control. a.) Why is it not on by default? b.) I want to type in a full path in one go, not click on individual segments of one - maybe that's not really common but I tend to memorize my FS structure. > There's a shortcut, cmd-shift-G, listed on that menu item. Am aware of the shortcut, it's not quite the same, it's an extra step you have to do vs not having to do, but it's probably just a "getting used to thing". > You can tile two finder windows side-by-side. That's like saying in a browser without tabs you can just open another window. Sure you can, it takes another second or two to get it the same size, probably won't open in the same directory as the old one, the other one will loose focus as you interact with the other etc. > Tab support is seven years old. Fair. Linux had it for 2 decades, I still remember the WWDC keynote where they announced it, which is probably why in my mind it was more recent.
sjwright 6y ago
Finder is, by default, designed for your grandparents. That’s fine, a few configuration changes fixes enough of these concealments, combined with memorising a few keyboard shortcuts. If I want to deal with the file system in a technical way I use the terminal. And whenever I want to bring these two worlds together, I’ll just type: open .
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  Why not have the option of both? It seems to be fairly normal on Linux.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    What do you mean "option of both"? I have both. I have Finder and I have Terminal. I have ways to jump from Terminal to Finder and from Finder to Terminal. I don't need or want a Termider or Finderminal.
gumby 6y ago
> The search doesn't seem to work much of the time, unless one uses Spotlight for everything I’d say spotlights file search interface isn’t that great but the finder’s own file search (I presume uses the same md database) seems pretty good to me. > it didn't even have copy paste last time I bothered to check Actually it does, which surprises me. That’s more of a Windowsism where you select a subject and then select a verb to apply. The Mac interface has from the beginning been more about direct manipulation. I.e: when you want to move something you just grab it and move it where you want to be.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > when you want to move something you just grab it and move it where you want to be In that case am really surprised Finder still doesn't support dual pane. Wouldn't this philosophy directly benefit?
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    You can open a new window...
    - AsyncAwait 6y ago
      Which isn't equivalent to dual-pane, especially considering macOS doesn't even support proper window snapping out of the box.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I mean, the Mac did invent copy and paste!
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boardwaalk 6y ago

> In a normal file manager you start in your home directory A new Finder window opens to the Documents folder by default, though this is configurable in preferences. You can set it to your home directory > Finder seems to like to show you what seem like various 'views' of things but these views aren't actual folders or at lest usually don't contain what you would think the folder would I've... never seen this. Are you talking about tags maybe? Or having an active search? > (once you even figure out where you are if you have any amount of complexity to your FS hierarchy) If you right click the folder name in title bar you get a list of path segments. You can also turn on 'Show Path Bar' and get a breadcrumb-style control. > it has to be done via a nested menu item, (Go=>Go to folder) There's a shortcut, cmd-shift-G, listed on that menu item. > The search doesn't seem to work much of the time Haven't had a problem with it, though I usually use find and grep on the command line. > no dual pane support You can tile two finder windows side-by-side. > tab support is very, very recent. Tab support is seven years old. > (it didn't even have copy paste last time I bothered to check). It does. It doesn't have cut and paste though, but drag and drop works to move.

WillPostForFood 6y ago
It actually does have cut-paste/move: Command-c Command+Option-v
AsyncAwait 6y ago
> You can also turn on 'Show Path Bar' and get a breadcrumb-style control. a.) Why is it not on by default? b.) I want to type in a full path in one go, not click on individual segments of one - maybe that's not really common but I tend to memorize my FS structure. > There's a shortcut, cmd-shift-G, listed on that menu item. Am aware of the shortcut, it's not quite the same, it's an extra step you have to do vs not having to do, but it's probably just a "getting used to thing". > You can tile two finder windows side-by-side. That's like saying in a browser without tabs you can just open another window. Sure you can, it takes another second or two to get it the same size, probably won't open in the same directory as the old one, the other one will loose focus as you interact with the other etc. > Tab support is seven years old. Fair. Linux had it for 2 decades, I still remember the WWDC keynote where they announced it, which is probably why in my mind it was more recent.

sjwright 6y ago

Finder is, by default, designed for your grandparents. That’s fine, a few configuration changes fixes enough of these concealments, combined with memorising a few keyboard shortcuts. If I want to deal with the file system in a technical way I use the terminal. And whenever I want to bring these two worlds together, I’ll just type: open .

AsyncAwait 6y ago
Why not have the option of both? It seems to be fairly normal on Linux.
- sjwright 6y ago
  What do you mean "option of both"? I have both. I have Finder and I have Terminal. I have ways to jump from Terminal to Finder and from Finder to Terminal. I don't need or want a Termider or Finderminal.

gumby 6y ago

> The search doesn't seem to work much of the time, unless one uses Spotlight for everything I’d say spotlights file search interface isn’t that great but the finder’s own file search (I presume uses the same md database) seems pretty good to me. > it didn't even have copy paste last time I bothered to check Actually it does, which surprises me. That’s more of a Windowsism where you select a subject and then select a verb to apply. The Mac interface has from the beginning been more about direct manipulation. I.e: when you want to move something you just grab it and move it where you want to be.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
> when you want to move something you just grab it and move it where you want to be In that case am really surprised Finder still doesn't support dual pane. Wouldn't this philosophy directly benefit?
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  You can open a new window...
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    Which isn't equivalent to dual-pane, especially considering macOS doesn't even support proper window snapping out of the box.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I mean, the Mac did invent copy and paste!

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