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This is absolutely not true. They are available for every publicly available SKU. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen

This is absolutely not true. They are available for every publicly available SKU. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-spec-update.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/proces...

bayindirh 6y ago
When we got our processors last year for our new cluster (I work in an HPC center), Intel explicitly said that it's confidential information and cannot be shared. I remember reading the datasheets myself and not being able to find it, together with my teammates. So they changed their mind two months ago, and shared this info for their processors. Guess that the information lost its significance. Either way, a processor significantly throttles under AVX-512 load. Nice. Edit: I re-read the document and found our SKUs under the "newly added" table and, clarified the comment. Original Datasheets: - https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-datasheet-vol-1.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/proces... - https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-datasheet-vol-2.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/proces... Spec Update - For re-referencing: - https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/xeon-scalable-spec-update.pdf https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents...
- TinkersW 6y ago
  It has been publicly available since years ago(I remember reading the specification explaining how it worked), it was never a surprise like Cloudflare made it out to be.
  - bayindirh 6y ago
    The base frequencies for first generation scalable was available however, not very publicly. You either needed to dig very deep in Intel's site or, find the blog post of some guy who nicely tabulated the data. Our mostly used SKUs are released in 2019 so, its data was not available since years ago. Intel was very open about how their tech worked when it was new, needed to show their tech against the competition and not limited by thermal constraints. When they became the dominant player, they didn't feel bad about hiding small but important details from their consumers. Until EPYC came and pushed & prodded them around, they didn't bother to release both "R" processors and the related frequency scaling data for AVX-512 loads.

bayindirh 6y ago

When we got our processors last year for our new cluster (I work in an HPC center), Intel explicitly said that it's confidential information and cannot be shared. I remember reading the datasheets myself and not being able to find it, together with my teammates. So they changed their mind two months ago, and shared this info for their processors. Guess that the information lost its significance. Either way, a processor significantly throttles under AVX-512 load. Nice. Edit: I re-read the document and found our SKUs under the "newly added" table and, clarified the comment. Original Datasheets: - https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-datasheet-vol-1.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/proces... - https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/processors/xeon/2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-datasheet-vol-2.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/tr/tr/products/docs/proces... Spec Update - For re-referencing: - https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/xeon-scalable-spec-update.pdf https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents...

TinkersW 6y ago
It has been publicly available since years ago(I remember reading the specification explaining how it worked), it was never a surprise like Cloudflare made it out to be.
- bayindirh 6y ago
  The base frequencies for first generation scalable was available however, not very publicly. You either needed to dig very deep in Intel's site or, find the blog post of some guy who nicely tabulated the data. Our mostly used SKUs are released in 2019 so, its data was not available since years ago. Intel was very open about how their tech worked when it was new, needed to show their tech against the competition and not limited by thermal constraints. When they became the dominant player, they didn't feel bad about hiding small but important details from their consumers. Until EPYC came and pushed & prodded them around, they didn't bother to release both "R" processors and the related frequency scaling data for AVX-512 loads.