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See Russia as to how to deal with people like that. It is nothing that a raid or accident can’t fix. He is also not murdering Indian soldiers on the border whic

by tlear 6y ago

See Russia as to how to deal with people like that. It is nothing that a raid or accident can’t fix. He is also not murdering Indian soldiers on the border which is a bonus. Same men that ordered that escalation are investing PRC money. If they are not same they share the same boss.

kranner 6y ago
> Same men that ordered that escalation are investing PRC money. If they are not same they share the same boss. This is speculation, unless you have sources in which case please share them. The most detailed and seemingly authentic source [1] I have seen about the Galwan brawl (that resulted in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and an undisclosed number of Chinese soldiers) suggests the escalation was not planned but the accidental result of a chain of events starting from a freshly deployed Chinese trooper pushing the Indian party's Commanding Officer. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3-separate-brawls-outsider-chinese-troops-more-most-detailed-account-of-the-brutal-june-15-galwan-battle-1691185-2020-06-21 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3-separate-brawls-outs...
- legolas2412 6y ago
  Are you really interested in debating the topic, or just perpetual muddying the waters? The question is if Chinese ownership of Indian industries will be bad, and the answer is an obvious yes. As for your claim in this case, it wasn't just a freshly deployed Chinese trooper, but the whole platoon, who had built structures and arranged weapons in violation of prior agreement.
- tlear 6y ago
  That has planned provocation written all over it. 1. Bring new troops trained in different area(much easier to bash someone head in with a club when you were not stationed right across from him) 2. Instantly escalate by attacking enemy officer(clearly planned event) 3. Have melee weapons prepared and ready to go(clearly planned) Indian officer and men acquitted themselves well I have to say reacting against completely unforeseen attack with their own initiative and aggression. Shutting down this play and counter attacking.
  - kranner 6y ago
    Yes I read the article and your comment violates the HN guidelines.
    - tlear 6y ago
      Here you go, fixed.
      - kranner 6y ago
        Thanks for taking out the ad hominem. As for the rest, I disagree with your interpretation. It can even be argued that the Indians responded disproportionately to one guy being shoved by attacking everyone in the opposing party. Anyway we can't claim both that the Chinese murdered our troops and also that we killed more than twice of theirs than they did ours (but apparently, when we kill them, it is honourable?)
    - tlear 6y ago
      Can't reply to you last comment but here is my take I was born in totalitarian regime so my point of view on how things work is different. Nobody in the right mind in regime like PRC will show initiative like shoving you enemies Commanding officer. It just never happens. Those guys were ordered to do it. Consequences of doing something like that to you, your family etc without an order would be extreme. Number of killed in the end is irrelevant, it is like US counting how many vietcong they bagged, utterly pointless. Small units, ncos and officers performed very well here. I think it was what you call reconnaissance in force. Chinese wanted to see the quality of the opposing units, cause confusion and perhaps fear. They succeeded in first, others not so much. But they are persistent and judging from satellite photos have been building up force in the are for a while. Act 2 will come, sooner or later. It is very consistent with the "fishermen" ramming opponents ships, killing Vietnamese sailors etc. This has been MO of the PRC for a very long time.

by tlear 6y ago

kranner 6y ago

> Same men that ordered that escalation are investing PRC money. If they are not same they share the same boss. This is speculation, unless you have sources in which case please share them. The most detailed and seemingly authentic source [1] I have seen about the Galwan brawl (that resulted in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and an undisclosed number of Chinese soldiers) suggests the escalation was not planned but the accidental result of a chain of events starting from a freshly deployed Chinese trooper pushing the Indian party's Commanding Officer. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3-separate-brawls-outsider-chinese-troops-more-most-detailed-account-of-the-brutal-june-15-galwan-battle-1691185-2020-06-21 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3-separate-brawls-outs...

legolas2412 6y ago
Are you really interested in debating the topic, or just perpetual muddying the waters? The question is if Chinese ownership of Indian industries will be bad, and the answer is an obvious yes. As for your claim in this case, it wasn't just a freshly deployed Chinese trooper, but the whole platoon, who had built structures and arranged weapons in violation of prior agreement.
tlear 6y ago
That has planned provocation written all over it. 1. Bring new troops trained in different area(much easier to bash someone head in with a club when you were not stationed right across from him) 2. Instantly escalate by attacking enemy officer(clearly planned event) 3. Have melee weapons prepared and ready to go(clearly planned) Indian officer and men acquitted themselves well I have to say reacting against completely unforeseen attack with their own initiative and aggression. Shutting down this play and counter attacking.
- kranner 6y ago
  Yes I read the article and your comment violates the HN guidelines.
  - tlear 6y ago
    Here you go, fixed.
    - kranner 6y ago
      Thanks for taking out the ad hominem. As for the rest, I disagree with your interpretation. It can even be argued that the Indians responded disproportionately to one guy being shoved by attacking everyone in the opposing party. Anyway we can't claim both that the Chinese murdered our troops and also that we killed more than twice of theirs than they did ours (but apparently, when we kill them, it is honourable?)
  - tlear 6y ago
    Can't reply to you last comment but here is my take I was born in totalitarian regime so my point of view on how things work is different. Nobody in the right mind in regime like PRC will show initiative like shoving you enemies Commanding officer. It just never happens. Those guys were ordered to do it. Consequences of doing something like that to you, your family etc without an order would be extreme. Number of killed in the end is irrelevant, it is like US counting how many vietcong they bagged, utterly pointless. Small units, ncos and officers performed very well here. I think it was what you call reconnaissance in force. Chinese wanted to see the quality of the opposing units, cause confusion and perhaps fear. They succeeded in first, others not so much. But they are persistent and judging from satellite photos have been building up force in the are for a while. Act 2 will come, sooner or later. It is very consistent with the "fishermen" ramming opponents ships, killing Vietnamese sailors etc. This has been MO of the PRC for a very long time.