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> Think about how easy it is to go to an ATM and use it.. Doesn't seem easy at all. ATMs have cameras and are monitored for abnormal transactions (stolen cards

by mopsi 6y ago

> Think about how easy it is to go to an ATM and use it.. Doesn't seem easy at all. ATMs have cameras and are monitored for abnormal transactions (stolen cards, unusual withdrawal patterns, etc).

rwmurrayVT 6y ago
If the data is collected from a skimmer + pin pad camera then you are already in the current area of the cardholder. There are a lot of ATMs without cameras or ways to avoid your face appearing fully in a camera. Unusual patterns and stolen cards are one of the primary reasons that they will rarely ever leave a team. It takes a great deal of work to gather stripe data + PIN. It's much easier to look for a website without PCI compliance. In-person carding is going by the wayside, but is much easier to accomplish if you have good data. You can buy dumps, but no one is turning over a PIN.
ornornor 6y ago
Cameras don’t do much unless the suspect has already been arrested and it’s just a matter of building up evidence. Cameras can’t tell you the name and address of the pixel blob that is committing the crime. Cameras as a security device are overrated. My building had countless footage of people entering the bike room or parking and stealing bicycles. Resident makes a complaint to the police, proudly says “we have cctv footage!”, police shrugs and looks at cctv footage, and nothing happens because what do you do with the video of a thief stealing your bike..?
- admax88q 6y ago
  I'd argue that has less to do with the merit of cameras and more to do with how little police care about stolen bikes compared to stolen credit cards.
  - ornornor 6y ago
    I’d say it goes for any kind of cctv footage. It’s always too low quality to identify an individual, and doesn’t show anything else than the crime happened. It’s useless to identify a suspect unless you already have the suspect in custody and can match time/location/clothes. When has anyone ever been arrested from being identified from cctv footage?
    - bsza 6y ago
      In the UK, more than 2500 times in one year, according to this article: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/11/super-recognisers-police-the-people-who-never-forget-a-face https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/11/super-recogn...
      - ornornor 6y ago
        Out of how many cases though? 2500/2500 is rather impressive, but 2500/1,000,000? Not so much.
  - ryanlol 6y ago
    Cops definitely care more about stolen bikes than stolen credit cards.
- colinmhayes 6y ago
  We're not that far from a world where people can be tracked back to their home/car using cctv. Places like London and china have that level of coverage already, they can follow you from one cctv to another, it's just a question of effort.
- mumbisChungo 6y ago
  >Cameras can’t tell you the name and address of the pixel blob that is committing the crime. Given sufficient resolution, software, and access to data they can with some degree of accuracy. >My building had countless footage of people entering the bike room or parking and stealing bicycles With bicycle theft you have an individual with an incentive to recover the bike approximately equal to the retail value of the bike, and few resources at their disposal. Law enforcement is not going to pay much more than lip service to a stolen bike, because they don't have any tangible incentive to recover it, while it's probably a lot of work to even try. Depending on the building, it's possible the landlord is sufficiently incentivized to increase security to mitigate tenant complaints, but that won't extend to the search for a bike that has already been stolen. By contrast, with bank fraud you have, for example, a $300 bn company like JPM with a strong incentive to protect their network's security and consumer trust, cameras everywhere, and good working relationships with law enforcement at many levels of government. It is much more likely to be taken seriously and acted upon, and is therefore riskier than bike theft.
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- csomar 6y ago
  In my opinion, police won't budge much unless a higher authority is pressing on them. It's not that they can't find the bike thief, they definitely can (and in a timely fashion). They simply do not care. Banks seems to have lots of influence and move things around. Bank thefts (where I live) net for thieves around 10-20k USD. They get lots of police action. Other thefts with even higher amounts go unnoticed.

by mopsi 6y ago

> Think about how easy it is to go to an ATM and use it.. Doesn't seem easy at all. ATMs have cameras and are monitored for abnormal transactions (stolen cards, unusual withdrawal patterns, etc).

rwmurrayVT 6y ago

If the data is collected from a skimmer + pin pad camera then you are already in the current area of the cardholder. There are a lot of ATMs without cameras or ways to avoid your face appearing fully in a camera. Unusual patterns and stolen cards are one of the primary reasons that they will rarely ever leave a team. It takes a great deal of work to gather stripe data + PIN. It's much easier to look for a website without PCI compliance. In-person carding is going by the wayside, but is much easier to accomplish if you have good data. You can buy dumps, but no one is turning over a PIN.

ornornor 6y ago

Cameras don’t do much unless the suspect has already been arrested and it’s just a matter of building up evidence. Cameras can’t tell you the name and address of the pixel blob that is committing the crime. Cameras as a security device are overrated. My building had countless footage of people entering the bike room or parking and stealing bicycles. Resident makes a complaint to the police, proudly says “we have cctv footage!”, police shrugs and looks at cctv footage, and nothing happens because what do you do with the video of a thief stealing your bike..?

admax88q 6y ago
I'd argue that has less to do with the merit of cameras and more to do with how little police care about stolen bikes compared to stolen credit cards.
- ornornor 6y ago
  I’d say it goes for any kind of cctv footage. It’s always too low quality to identify an individual, and doesn’t show anything else than the crime happened. It’s useless to identify a suspect unless you already have the suspect in custody and can match time/location/clothes. When has anyone ever been arrested from being identified from cctv footage?
  - bsza 6y ago
    In the UK, more than 2500 times in one year, according to this article: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/11/super-recognisers-police-the-people-who-never-forget-a-face https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/11/super-recogn...
    - ornornor 6y ago
      Out of how many cases though? 2500/2500 is rather impressive, but 2500/1,000,000? Not so much.
- ryanlol 6y ago
  Cops definitely care more about stolen bikes than stolen credit cards.
colinmhayes 6y ago
We're not that far from a world where people can be tracked back to their home/car using cctv. Places like London and china have that level of coverage already, they can follow you from one cctv to another, it's just a question of effort.
mumbisChungo 6y ago
>Cameras can’t tell you the name and address of the pixel blob that is committing the crime. Given sufficient resolution, software, and access to data they can with some degree of accuracy. >My building had countless footage of people entering the bike room or parking and stealing bicycles With bicycle theft you have an individual with an incentive to recover the bike approximately equal to the retail value of the bike, and few resources at their disposal. Law enforcement is not going to pay much more than lip service to a stolen bike, because they don't have any tangible incentive to recover it, while it's probably a lot of work to even try. Depending on the building, it's possible the landlord is sufficiently incentivized to increase security to mitigate tenant complaints, but that won't extend to the search for a bike that has already been stolen. By contrast, with bank fraud you have, for example, a $300 bn company like JPM with a strong incentive to protect their network's security and consumer trust, cameras everywhere, and good working relationships with law enforcement at many levels of government. It is much more likely to be taken seriously and acted upon, and is therefore riskier than bike theft.
- deleted 6y ago
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csomar 6y ago
In my opinion, police won't budge much unless a higher authority is pressing on them. It's not that they can't find the bike thief, they definitely can (and in a timely fashion). They simply do not care. Banks seems to have lots of influence and move things around. Bank thefts (where I live) net for thieves around 10-20k USD. They get lots of police action. Other thefts with even higher amounts go unnoticed.