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One might argue that if you want to make an OS easy to use (let's say as a desktop operating system for non-technical people) just the fact that the user has to

by znpy 6y ago

One might argue that if you want to make an OS easy to use (let's say as a desktop operating system for non-technical people) just the fact that the user has to open a terminal might be a problem. that being said... It's no big deal. If both nano and vi/vim come pre-installed, I guess it's going to be an easy setting to change (I guess there's going to be a EDITOR=nano somewhere in /etc/profile or similar to change). on a personal note: the thing I dislike about "user friendly" things (for example: gnome3) is that they tend to hide actual useful features from users in the name of "simplicity". I couldn't believe it when I installed a fresh ubuntu 18.04 desktop with two displays and couldn't switch virtual desktop on the primary display "because gnome says it's better". Like, wtf ? Yeah yeah you can install an external app to enable that (gnome-tweaks iirc) but are we serious?

jaekash 6y ago
> just the fact that the user has to open a terminal might be a problem. I mean why stop there, the fact that someone has to lift a finger might be a problem. Why do we even require people to be able to comprehend language? Heck, why do we design things that are not usable by your average garden rock? This is just blatantly anti-user.
- znpy 6y ago
  > I mean why stop there, the fact that someone has to lift a finger might be a problem. Alexa, Siri and similar are literally meant to remove that effort, if you think about it. The usual OS that many gnu/linux distros compare to is usually Mac OS. As a user, you can configure most of the things that you would like to configure without opening a terminal, ever. Heck, when I was given a macbook from work and had to quickly share some music files with some relatives, I was able to set up the equivalent of a samba share 100% via gui, and it worked. Yeah if your target is the average user, non-technical (think of the average grandmother/grandfather) to very-little-technical (office worker that uses the computer but only as a tool to do their job), the fact that opening a terminal is necessary is a problem.
arprocter 6y ago
>One might argue that if you want to make an OS easy to use (let's say as a desktop operating system for non-technical people) just the fact that the user has to open a terminal might be a problem. For all the talk of how easy Linux has become, the biggest tell of what OS-X achieved is that most Mac users don't even know there is a terminal

by znpy 6y ago

jaekash 6y ago

> just the fact that the user has to open a terminal might be a problem. I mean why stop there, the fact that someone has to lift a finger might be a problem. Why do we even require people to be able to comprehend language? Heck, why do we design things that are not usable by your average garden rock? This is just blatantly anti-user.

znpy 6y ago
> I mean why stop there, the fact that someone has to lift a finger might be a problem. Alexa, Siri and similar are literally meant to remove that effort, if you think about it. The usual OS that many gnu/linux distros compare to is usually Mac OS. As a user, you can configure most of the things that you would like to configure without opening a terminal, ever. Heck, when I was given a macbook from work and had to quickly share some music files with some relatives, I was able to set up the equivalent of a samba share 100% via gui, and it worked. Yeah if your target is the average user, non-technical (think of the average grandmother/grandfather) to very-little-technical (office worker that uses the computer but only as a tool to do their job), the fact that opening a terminal is necessary is a problem.

arprocter 6y ago

>One might argue that if you want to make an OS easy to use (let's say as a desktop operating system for non-technical people) just the fact that the user has to open a terminal might be a problem. For all the talk of how easy Linux has become, the biggest tell of what OS-X achieved is that most Mac users don't even know there is a terminal