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100% agree with the video. I am a macOS user just to have some of the GNU tools and VMs or containers (Vagrant, and Docker for desktop) on the fly when I need t

100% agree with the video. I am a macOS user just to have some of the GNU tools and VMs or containers (Vagrant, and Docker for desktop) on the fly when I need to work and get shit done. I still believe that WSL is some sort of slimmed/powered down to nothing version of any gnu/linux distro, and after using it for a while I felt the pain of getting things done and went back to macOS and VMs. I still believe that Microsoft is improving, but I am not sure how it is helping with WSL...

MCOfficer 6y ago
WSL is pretty good as long as you stick to the command line (and don't work with virtualization). I hear they are using a "proper" kernel with WSL2, so it probably got even better since i switched.
m0xte 6y ago
Exactly the same outcome here. The killer for me is friction and despite Microsoft’s best efforts, it’s always the most painful platform to work on. Nothing is finished, polished or reliable. (I include WSL2 in that)
mpfundstein 6y ago
i do most of my work in WSL2 (with win terminal - which is quite good). even if its to just to jack into my headless linux servers via ssh. its just so much better than putty. but i also have vim and screen open all the time as well for some local dev stuff. which i refuse to do on win. pretty happy with it. without, i would not stick with win10 as my primary machine. there are still some annoyances though which ms will fix i hope. granted mac osx does this still better. but i dont want to use mac anymore. did for 8+ years...
rorykoehler 6y ago
What I want to understand is why use Windows if you want to use Linux? Surely it's easier to just use Linux.
- bauerd 6y ago
  Some are forced to use Windows eg in consulting
  - techntoke 6y ago
    Should honestly stop working for companies that force Winblows. Might as well move rocks from one pile and back, because those jobs have little to no purpose than wasting your time when you could be doing important things with your life.
    - ptato 6y ago
      Winblows? Are you 13 years old?
      - techntoke 6y ago
        No I am not 13 years old and Windows does blow.
    - ACS_Solver 6y ago
      Or perhaps things are not so black and white. I don't come into contact with Windows much, but had an ~18 month contract a few years ago. A Fortune 500 company, an interesting project. I ended up writing some important parts in software that has an actual positive real-world impact. During my work, I was of course given a Windows machine. I installed Cygwin and did the vast majority of work there. I'd drop back into Windows proper just for Outlook and to occasionally use an industry-specific tool. Sure I would have preferred to work on a Linux machine, but having to use Windows doesn't mean that the work is pointless, or that I cannot put my best effort into it.
      - techntoke 6y ago
        So you used Cygwin to do the work why? Is it because it was actually easier to make progress when it came to actual work (not just needing to use the corporate tools to communicate with coworkers or track your time)? From the sounds of it, Windows actually hindered you so you tried to find a way to use Linux tools so that you could make the most positive impact. That is exactly what I'm saying.. why make concessions and limit yourself.
teraku 6y ago
WSL is just horribly slow for me. So I use Linux exclusively at home, but my work mandates Windows (although we now allow Mac, and with my next hardware change I might just switch over to Mac). So to get into the comfort of my trusted toolchain I use WSL at work. Our company lags behind windows updates, since they only install "trusted" versions, whatever that means, and thus I still have WSL1. I heard WSL2 brings a lot of performance improvements. And I really hope it does, WSL1 is soooo slow. Especially compared to my home setups. The friction is just so high still. So I believe if you come from Windows and want use Linux tools with WSL, I think you might find it comfortable for some, but it's a horrible introduction to Linux, since a lot of it will be slow and you'd think "oh Linux is just as bad as Windows, I'd rather stick to my guns".
- TheGreatCabbage 6y ago
  I found that one of my Python programs, which performs heavy calculations, was actually faster in WSL 2 than when running natively in Windows. I haven't tested it with WSL 1 though.
- bzb3 6y ago
  I remember trying to use wsl1 for WordPress development; it was so slow most pages would time out and I couldn't do anything.
- virtue3 6y ago
  WSL2 is -significantly- faster for most dev flows.

MCOfficer 6y ago

WSL is pretty good as long as you stick to the command line (and don't work with virtualization). I hear they are using a "proper" kernel with WSL2, so it probably got even better since i switched.

m0xte 6y ago

Exactly the same outcome here. The killer for me is friction and despite Microsoft’s best efforts, it’s always the most painful platform to work on. Nothing is finished, polished or reliable. (I include WSL2 in that)

mpfundstein 6y ago

i do most of my work in WSL2 (with win terminal - which is quite good). even if its to just to jack into my headless linux servers via ssh. its just so much better than putty. but i also have vim and screen open all the time as well for some local dev stuff. which i refuse to do on win. pretty happy with it. without, i would not stick with win10 as my primary machine. there are still some annoyances though which ms will fix i hope. granted mac osx does this still better. but i dont want to use mac anymore. did for 8+ years...

rorykoehler 6y ago

What I want to understand is why use Windows if you want to use Linux? Surely it's easier to just use Linux.

bauerd 6y ago
Some are forced to use Windows eg in consulting
- techntoke 6y ago
  Should honestly stop working for companies that force Winblows. Might as well move rocks from one pile and back, because those jobs have little to no purpose than wasting your time when you could be doing important things with your life.
  - ptato 6y ago
    Winblows? Are you 13 years old?
    - techntoke 6y ago
      No I am not 13 years old and Windows does blow.
  - ACS_Solver 6y ago
    Or perhaps things are not so black and white. I don't come into contact with Windows much, but had an ~18 month contract a few years ago. A Fortune 500 company, an interesting project. I ended up writing some important parts in software that has an actual positive real-world impact. During my work, I was of course given a Windows machine. I installed Cygwin and did the vast majority of work there. I'd drop back into Windows proper just for Outlook and to occasionally use an industry-specific tool. Sure I would have preferred to work on a Linux machine, but having to use Windows doesn't mean that the work is pointless, or that I cannot put my best effort into it.
    - techntoke 6y ago
      So you used Cygwin to do the work why? Is it because it was actually easier to make progress when it came to actual work (not just needing to use the corporate tools to communicate with coworkers or track your time)? From the sounds of it, Windows actually hindered you so you tried to find a way to use Linux tools so that you could make the most positive impact. That is exactly what I'm saying.. why make concessions and limit yourself.

teraku 6y ago

WSL is just horribly slow for me. So I use Linux exclusively at home, but my work mandates Windows (although we now allow Mac, and with my next hardware change I might just switch over to Mac). So to get into the comfort of my trusted toolchain I use WSL at work. Our company lags behind windows updates, since they only install "trusted" versions, whatever that means, and thus I still have WSL1. I heard WSL2 brings a lot of performance improvements. And I really hope it does, WSL1 is soooo slow. Especially compared to my home setups. The friction is just so high still. So I believe if you come from Windows and want use Linux tools with WSL, I think you might find it comfortable for some, but it's a horrible introduction to Linux, since a lot of it will be slow and you'd think "oh Linux is just as bad as Windows, I'd rather stick to my guns".

TheGreatCabbage 6y ago
I found that one of my Python programs, which performs heavy calculations, was actually faster in WSL 2 than when running natively in Windows. I haven't tested it with WSL 1 though.
bzb3 6y ago
I remember trying to use wsl1 for WordPress development; it was so slow most pages would time out and I couldn't do anything.
virtue3 6y ago
WSL2 is -significantly- faster for most dev flows.