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again ... well done microsoft. well done. I really don't get why people keep using it, gitlab seems objectively better to me.

ishansharma 6y ago
Out of curiosity, what could have Microsoft done to cause this? I'm not aware of the acquisition details. But did they make GitHub switch to Azure or make significant changes to infrastructure? I've seen several people blaming Microsoft for GitHub outages and am trying to understand why this is a common thing.
- Illniyar 6y ago
  When microsoft took over the rate of new features increased dramatically. Adding new features fast often entails tradeoffs in other areas - such as reliability. Which seems to be what happened in github.
  - iddqd 6y ago
    I haven’t used their new features but am heavily affected every time they go down. I wonder if they are making the right trade offs here.
- varbhat 6y ago
  Yes. Github used to be hosted on AWS. Now,they have migrated (at least partially) to Azure.
  - goldfishlover 6y ago
    there isn't an azure outage right now.
- jaekash 6y ago
  I'm not privy to their management decisions, but I have used windows and azure, and I use office 365 every day, and this seems about right for Microsoft Quality.
  - smcleod 6y ago
    Yeah you’re bang on there, office365 has to be easily the most unreliable SaaS product I’ve ever used.
rhacker 6y ago
Well, let's not forget the Gitlab outage where they basically lost a shit-ton of production data. I mean if we're just comparing apples. https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/02/10/postmortem-of-database-outage-of-january-31/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/02/10/postmortem-of-datab...
- rfw300 6y ago
  Wow, what a read. I’m sure GitLab has improved and grown a lot since then, but that’s like a comprehensive list of what not to do from an IT perspective. Not ever checking to see if your backups are working, wiping production DBs without a second thought, this post has it all.
k_ 6y ago
I prefer gitlab too but github is where most projects are, and that plays a overwhelming huge role on deciding where devs (and so other projects too) will be.. :/ It could change, but would require a pretty huge fuck-up or a lot of time and many not-so-smal mistakes from github.
- jaekash 6y ago
  "small" fuckups like this one have outsized impacts due to the amount of projects that use github. And the amount of people who just refuse to even consider gitlab is staggering.
- tannhaeuser 6y ago
  How come we first get the almighty git software for free, then the next thing happening is people flocking to "hosted" services that provide very little on top of git for the vast majority of projects (apart from the social networking effect of course, but that also means your project has tens or hundreds of issues and build status "failing"). Then people bitch about gh on HN in a consumerish "coke-vs-pepsi" manner. Have F/OSS devs no self-respect? If you're into F/OSS, why do you lead your peers into a github silo where clicks to the content you create with lots and lots of effort in your spare time only helps big data, and which is even blocking indie search engines?
varbhat 6y ago
But, UI of Gitlab is very bloated. I feel that UI of Github is less bloater than Gitlab. Gitea is OK,but there is no one big instance(yes,I know about codeberg) . Sourcehut is made by one-man in his one-man shop,and it lacks many features that one needs.Also,it is Alpha software.
- jaekash 6y ago
  > But, UI of Gitlab is very bloated. I feel that UI of Github is less bloater than Gitlab. Bloated how? There is a lot of functionality in gitlab, and maybe there is a fair argument that the product itself is bloated, but the UI seems pretty appropriate for the functionality. Maybe I'm just used to it though.
  - varbhat 6y ago
    Gitlab is functional and has more features/functionalities than Github. But,UI wise , Github is very much slim ,fast and quick. It will function without js. Gitlab although functional will take very much time to load a page(because ,js is used a lot).Making it PWA would solve the problem but it is still not made PWA.
  - tjomk 6y ago
    Probably both. I remember the very first versions of Gitlab when it was just announced on habr.com, and it used to be a minimalistic (more in terms of UI) version of Github. As the functionality grew, things got a bit out of control. Currently UI looks more like it's been designed by people who write code rather than those who have spent considerable time thinking through user interactions and designing based on that. So it's not bloated in terms of the code and libraries, but rather all of the functionality is just thrown to the user as is without much thought.
rplnt 6y ago
I'm sure they have progressed a lot since, but last time we evaluated a self-hosted git "hub" solution at work, Gitlab couldn't handle our main repository (history starting in the 90s, but probably more imporantly loads of junk and a 10GB size on disk). We went with Stash (now Bitbucket) instead.

ishansharma 6y ago

Out of curiosity, what could have Microsoft done to cause this? I'm not aware of the acquisition details. But did they make GitHub switch to Azure or make significant changes to infrastructure? I've seen several people blaming Microsoft for GitHub outages and am trying to understand why this is a common thing.

Illniyar 6y ago
When microsoft took over the rate of new features increased dramatically. Adding new features fast often entails tradeoffs in other areas - such as reliability. Which seems to be what happened in github.
- iddqd 6y ago
  I haven’t used their new features but am heavily affected every time they go down. I wonder if they are making the right trade offs here.
varbhat 6y ago
Yes. Github used to be hosted on AWS. Now,they have migrated (at least partially) to Azure.
- goldfishlover 6y ago
  there isn't an azure outage right now.
jaekash 6y ago
I'm not privy to their management decisions, but I have used windows and azure, and I use office 365 every day, and this seems about right for Microsoft Quality.
- smcleod 6y ago
  Yeah you’re bang on there, office365 has to be easily the most unreliable SaaS product I’ve ever used.

rhacker 6y ago

Well, let's not forget the Gitlab outage where they basically lost a shit-ton of production data. I mean if we're just comparing apples. https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/02/10/postmortem-of-database-outage-of-january-31/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/02/10/postmortem-of-datab...

rfw300 6y ago
Wow, what a read. I’m sure GitLab has improved and grown a lot since then, but that’s like a comprehensive list of what not to do from an IT perspective. Not ever checking to see if your backups are working, wiping production DBs without a second thought, this post has it all.

k_ 6y ago

I prefer gitlab too but github is where most projects are, and that plays a overwhelming huge role on deciding where devs (and so other projects too) will be.. :/ It could change, but would require a pretty huge fuck-up or a lot of time and many not-so-smal mistakes from github.

jaekash 6y ago
"small" fuckups like this one have outsized impacts due to the amount of projects that use github. And the amount of people who just refuse to even consider gitlab is staggering.
tannhaeuser 6y ago
How come we first get the almighty git software for free, then the next thing happening is people flocking to "hosted" services that provide very little on top of git for the vast majority of projects (apart from the social networking effect of course, but that also means your project has tens or hundreds of issues and build status "failing"). Then people bitch about gh on HN in a consumerish "coke-vs-pepsi" manner. Have F/OSS devs no self-respect? If you're into F/OSS, why do you lead your peers into a github silo where clicks to the content you create with lots and lots of effort in your spare time only helps big data, and which is even blocking indie search engines?

varbhat 6y ago

But, UI of Gitlab is very bloated. I feel that UI of Github is less bloater than Gitlab. Gitea is OK,but there is no one big instance(yes,I know about codeberg) . Sourcehut is made by one-man in his one-man shop,and it lacks many features that one needs.Also,it is Alpha software.

jaekash 6y ago
> But, UI of Gitlab is very bloated. I feel that UI of Github is less bloater than Gitlab. Bloated how? There is a lot of functionality in gitlab, and maybe there is a fair argument that the product itself is bloated, but the UI seems pretty appropriate for the functionality. Maybe I'm just used to it though.
- varbhat 6y ago
  Gitlab is functional and has more features/functionalities than Github. But,UI wise , Github is very much slim ,fast and quick. It will function without js. Gitlab although functional will take very much time to load a page(because ,js is used a lot).Making it PWA would solve the problem but it is still not made PWA.
- tjomk 6y ago
  Probably both. I remember the very first versions of Gitlab when it was just announced on habr.com, and it used to be a minimalistic (more in terms of UI) version of Github. As the functionality grew, things got a bit out of control. Currently UI looks more like it's been designed by people who write code rather than those who have spent considerable time thinking through user interactions and designing based on that. So it's not bloated in terms of the code and libraries, but rather all of the functionality is just thrown to the user as is without much thought.

rplnt 6y ago

I'm sure they have progressed a lot since, but last time we evaluated a self-hosted git "hub" solution at work, Gitlab couldn't handle our main repository (history starting in the 90s, but probably more imporantly loads of junk and a 10GB size on disk). We went with Stash (now Bitbucket) instead.