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Disappointing to see this talking about Sue rather than anything of actual substance or new research. Based on personal knowledge, I can say the apes are much

by p33p 6y ago

Disappointing to see this talking about Sue rather than anything of actual substance or new research. Based on personal knowledge, I can say the apes are much better off without her. She should be shunned from the scientific community for her practices instead of any sort of praise that this article gives.

kerkeslager 6y ago
With due respect, that doesn't mean anything--as far as we know, it's just the unfounded opinion of a person who may or not be qualified to have an opinion. What's your connection here, and what's your personal knowledge? The article wasn't entirely positive on her, either, not that anyone seems to feel they need to read the articles they're opining on on HN.
- p33p 6y ago
  It wasn’t entirely positive, but it shouldn’t have been positive at all. Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? Sue hasn’t been connected with the initiative for many years and for years after her leaving harassed the workers and organization such as by constantly calling the police and reporting false animal abuse. It took the author until nearly the end to begin mentioning similar items. The article in general is a rehashing of previous articles on Sue and the bonobos. There is nothing new or significant in the article worth mentioning. No new research. You can take these as anecdotes. My opinion doesn’t matter in the grand scheme and take everything with a grain of salt, but the scientific community should have higher standards.
  - kerkeslager 6y ago
    > Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? Science isn't an aesthetic choice, so whether or not something "sounds like" science, is completely irrelevant. Science is asking questions, and trying to gather observations which answer the question. If your critique is that what she's doing doesn't sound like science, that just sounds like you don't know what science is. I'd have to know what question was being asked to know whether bringing a bonobo in a diaper to a restaurant is really a good way to gather observations on that question. > Sue hasn’t been connected with the initiative for many years and for years after her leaving harassed the workers and organization such as by constantly calling the police and reporting false animal abuse. It took the author until nearly the end to begin mentioning similar items. There is nothing new or significant in the article worth mentioning. No new research. Just because it's not new, doesn't mean it's not significant. So far, your "personal knowledge" just sounds like a grudge which you would benefit from working through. I'm not saying you have to like her or pretend that everything she did was right and good, but you also don't have to go on the internet and try to tear down the good parts of her legacy. You don't need to persuade me she was a destructive and slightly crazy person--that's in the article--and its clear that her presence had become harmful to progress. But her earlier research does look pretty interesting, and it would be a shame to not look at her earlier research because she became hostile later. Sometimes assholes discover interesting things.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    >Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? What exactly is unscientific about this?

by p33p 6y ago

kerkeslager 6y ago

With due respect, that doesn't mean anything--as far as we know, it's just the unfounded opinion of a person who may or not be qualified to have an opinion. What's your connection here, and what's your personal knowledge? The article wasn't entirely positive on her, either, not that anyone seems to feel they need to read the articles they're opining on on HN.

p33p 6y ago
It wasn’t entirely positive, but it shouldn’t have been positive at all. Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? Sue hasn’t been connected with the initiative for many years and for years after her leaving harassed the workers and organization such as by constantly calling the police and reporting false animal abuse. It took the author until nearly the end to begin mentioning similar items. The article in general is a rehashing of previous articles on Sue and the bonobos. There is nothing new or significant in the article worth mentioning. No new research. You can take these as anecdotes. My opinion doesn’t matter in the grand scheme and take everything with a grain of salt, but the scientific community should have higher standards.
- kerkeslager 6y ago
  > Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? Science isn't an aesthetic choice, so whether or not something "sounds like" science, is completely irrelevant. Science is asking questions, and trying to gather observations which answer the question. If your critique is that what she's doing doesn't sound like science, that just sounds like you don't know what science is. I'd have to know what question was being asked to know whether bringing a bonobo in a diaper to a restaurant is really a good way to gather observations on that question. > Sue hasn’t been connected with the initiative for many years and for years after her leaving harassed the workers and organization such as by constantly calling the police and reporting false animal abuse. It took the author until nearly the end to begin mentioning similar items. There is nothing new or significant in the article worth mentioning. No new research. Just because it's not new, doesn't mean it's not significant. So far, your "personal knowledge" just sounds like a grudge which you would benefit from working through. I'm not saying you have to like her or pretend that everything she did was right and good, but you also don't have to go on the internet and try to tear down the good parts of her legacy. You don't need to persuade me she was a destructive and slightly crazy person--that's in the article--and its clear that her presence had become harmful to progress. But her earlier research does look pretty interesting, and it would be a shame to not look at her earlier research because she became hostile later. Sometimes assholes discover interesting things.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  >Does putting a diaper on a bonobo and taking it to a restaurant sound like scientific research? What exactly is unscientific about this?