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Yeah you’re completely missing the mark on the iPhone SE. You physically cannot but an Android device with a faster CPU at ANY PRICE. 1500$, hell 15,000$ cannot

Yeah you’re completely missing the mark on the iPhone SE. You physically cannot but an Android device with a faster CPU at ANY PRICE. 1500$, hell 15,000$ cannot get you a faster Android device than the iPhone SE. It’s a great metric for the future of Apple Silicon on desktops and laptops.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
But the point isn't whether it's faster or not, it's that they have no reason to give the margins to you instead of keeping them. OP was making out like selling for $399 was some kind of a low price. There are sub-$50 Android devices. Their lowest priced iPhone costs significantly more than the average-priced Android device. Apple has demonstrated no interest in lowering their margins to chase volume. Also, you can install Android on x64 tablets with basically equivalent single-thread performance and significantly better multi-thread performance. Hardly anybody does this because hardly anybody cares that much about performance on that class of device as long as it meets a particular threshold that any non-garbage modern CPU (including many Qualcomm chips) already does.
- philistine 6y ago
  399$ is a low price. It is not the lowest it could be, sure, and Apple will indeed never lower their margins to chase volume. But like they did with the SE, they will lower their parts costs to chase volume. Like they did here, by keeping the same iPhone production lines that built the iPhone 8 going (I'd presume it would be the same production lines that built their phones all the way back to the iPhone 6).
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    $399 is not a low price. $50 is a low price. $250 is a medium price. $399 is a medium-high price, but that's as low as Apple goes because they don't want to cannibalize sales of their very high price models. > But like they did with the SE, they will lower their parts costs to chase volume. This has very little to do with their parts cost. Their problem is that smartphones are increasingly becoming a low margin commodity because the existing hardware is "good enough" and many people would rather save hundreds of dollars than have a phone which is marginally faster in a way they can barely notice. So the price of Android phones goes down over time and on some level they have to compete with that. But that's true independent of their costs. If Android phone prices get lower and Apple's production costs stay the same, they have to lower prices at the expense of margins or they'll start losing volume to Android. If Android phone prices stay the same and Apple's costs go down, nothing is making them sell for a lower price, so they just get to enjoy higher margins. In theory there is an optimal sale price which maximizes profits and changing unit costs can affect what it is, but it isn't even guaranteed to be lower when margins are higher. Apple's brand is as a luxury product. If they lowered prices too much at the low end for any reason, that impairs exclusivity and their ability to extract very high margins at the high end.
    - philistine 6y ago
      You don’t get to give an opinion on what’s the numerical value of a low price without any facts to back you up and then deny me doing the same. That’s preposterous.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

But the point isn't whether it's faster or not, it's that they have no reason to give the margins to you instead of keeping them. OP was making out like selling for $399 was some kind of a low price. There are sub-$50 Android devices. Their lowest priced iPhone costs significantly more than the average-priced Android device. Apple has demonstrated no interest in lowering their margins to chase volume. Also, you can install Android on x64 tablets with basically equivalent single-thread performance and significantly better multi-thread performance. Hardly anybody does this because hardly anybody cares that much about performance on that class of device as long as it meets a particular threshold that any non-garbage modern CPU (including many Qualcomm chips) already does.

philistine 6y ago
399$ is a low price. It is not the lowest it could be, sure, and Apple will indeed never lower their margins to chase volume. But like they did with the SE, they will lower their parts costs to chase volume. Like they did here, by keeping the same iPhone production lines that built the iPhone 8 going (I'd presume it would be the same production lines that built their phones all the way back to the iPhone 6).
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  $399 is not a low price. $50 is a low price. $250 is a medium price. $399 is a medium-high price, but that's as low as Apple goes because they don't want to cannibalize sales of their very high price models. > But like they did with the SE, they will lower their parts costs to chase volume. This has very little to do with their parts cost. Their problem is that smartphones are increasingly becoming a low margin commodity because the existing hardware is "good enough" and many people would rather save hundreds of dollars than have a phone which is marginally faster in a way they can barely notice. So the price of Android phones goes down over time and on some level they have to compete with that. But that's true independent of their costs. If Android phone prices get lower and Apple's production costs stay the same, they have to lower prices at the expense of margins or they'll start losing volume to Android. If Android phone prices stay the same and Apple's costs go down, nothing is making them sell for a lower price, so they just get to enjoy higher margins. In theory there is an optimal sale price which maximizes profits and changing unit costs can affect what it is, but it isn't even guaranteed to be lower when margins are higher. Apple's brand is as a luxury product. If they lowered prices too much at the low end for any reason, that impairs exclusivity and their ability to extract very high margins at the high end.
  - philistine 6y ago
    You don’t get to give an opinion on what’s the numerical value of a low price without any facts to back you up and then deny me doing the same. That’s preposterous.