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Absurd. Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. That's why the terminology we use matters. There's no equivalent dynamic around the his

Absurd. Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. That's why the terminology we use matters. There's no equivalent dynamic around the history of the word "kill."

loceng 6y ago
How's it absurd? It's the same logic. He's offended but the difference is he's not claiming a specific race. Kill, master-slave etc. in a technical context aren't associated with race, yet now that someone's claiming the word "kill" is offensive you have a double standard and are dismissive, like you were in replies to me, that their logical assertion is absurd.
f1refly 6y ago
> Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism Yes. I also see the problem that mainly asian and white men are discriminated against in today's hiring world, i completely agree with you >That's why the terminology we use matters Your first statement has nothing to do with this. Why does terminology matter? We don't even have slaves in the modern first world, nor did we in living memory. > There's no equivalent dynamic around history of the word "kill" Wars happened. They still do. Murder happens, too. There is a problem with people dying all the time. I don't see how this is any different.
- jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
  White men are not discriminated against in tech. Terminology matters. Slavery was only a couple generations ago. The people marching in the street and the comments in this thread make it quite clear we still have a long way to go. This is a small step along that path in the right direction.
  - Hamuko 6y ago
    >Slavery was only a couple generations ago. Just because it happens in a country you don't care about, doesn't mean that it no longer happens.
  - f1refly 6y ago
    My ancestors where slaves to the families who owned the land they lived on. We moved on. In fact, it's not unlikely your own ancestors where de-facto slaves as well. You can now decide to wallow in self pity or be above it and move on with your life.
  - yakshaving_jgt 6y ago
    > Slavery was only a couple generations ago. This is objectively, demonstrably wrong. It’s ahistorical. Unless of course, your view is so myopic and US-centric that you’re blind to any slavery outside of the one specific example you’re obviously referring to. All the while posturing your empathy for others.
- mcguire 6y ago
  "Yes. I also see the problem that mainly asian and white men are discriminated against in today's hiring world, i completely agree with you" Yes, this is why there are so few Asian and white men employed in technology...????
  - f1refly 6y ago
    I just said there is discrimination in the hiring world, where women and blacks are now objectively preferred by hq departments. This discrimination is backed by law. You may argue that this is fine because you think it's a good thing, but they're still discriminated against by the very definition of the word.
    - mcguire 6y ago
      And I just noted that that fact would explain the massive proportion of women and black people in the tech workplace.
josteink 6y ago
> Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. A bold claim without anything to back it up. I can do that too, but it doesn’t make it fact.
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Hamuko 6y ago
>Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. >There's no equivalent dynamic around the history of the word "kill." I thought that the recent US protests were exactly because there's a racial dynamic when it comes to killings?
_-david-_ 6y ago
There were white racists who killed blacks.
loco5niner 6y ago
No more absurd than the comment they were replying to.
marvin 6y ago
Maybe it's relevant to point out that white Americans perpetrating slavery against Africans is by far not the only instance of slavery in world history. So in the light of this, it's a little silly to be terribly afraid of the terms "master" and "slave" due to presumed racial bias. For example, Mediterranean people were for a long time regularly kidnapped by Arab raiders from the south. Vikings kidnapped people from the British isles. Etc.

Absurd. Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. That's why the terminology we use matters. There's no equivalent dynamic around the history of the word "kill."

loceng 6y ago

How's it absurd? It's the same logic. He's offended but the difference is he's not claiming a specific race. Kill, master-slave etc. in a technical context aren't associated with race, yet now that someone's claiming the word "kill" is offensive you have a double standard and are dismissive, like you were in replies to me, that their logical assertion is absurd.

f1refly 6y ago

> Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism Yes. I also see the problem that mainly asian and white men are discriminated against in today's hiring world, i completely agree with you >That's why the terminology we use matters Your first statement has nothing to do with this. Why does terminology matter? We don't even have slaves in the modern first world, nor did we in living memory. > There's no equivalent dynamic around history of the word "kill" Wars happened. They still do. Murder happens, too. There is a problem with people dying all the time. I don't see how this is any different.

jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
White men are not discriminated against in tech. Terminology matters. Slavery was only a couple generations ago. The people marching in the street and the comments in this thread make it quite clear we still have a long way to go. This is a small step along that path in the right direction.
- Hamuko 6y ago
  >Slavery was only a couple generations ago. Just because it happens in a country you don't care about, doesn't mean that it no longer happens.
- f1refly 6y ago
  My ancestors where slaves to the families who owned the land they lived on. We moved on. In fact, it's not unlikely your own ancestors where de-facto slaves as well. You can now decide to wallow in self pity or be above it and move on with your life.
- yakshaving_jgt 6y ago
  > Slavery was only a couple generations ago. This is objectively, demonstrably wrong. It’s ahistorical. Unless of course, your view is so myopic and US-centric that you’re blind to any slavery outside of the one specific example you’re obviously referring to. All the while posturing your empathy for others.
mcguire 6y ago
"Yes. I also see the problem that mainly asian and white men are discriminated against in today's hiring world, i completely agree with you" Yes, this is why there are so few Asian and white men employed in technology...????
- f1refly 6y ago
  I just said there is discrimination in the hiring world, where women and blacks are now objectively preferred by hq departments. This discrimination is backed by law. You may argue that this is fine because you think it's a good thing, but they're still discriminated against by the very definition of the word.
  - mcguire 6y ago
    And I just noted that that fact would explain the massive proportion of women and black people in the tech workplace.

josteink 6y ago

> Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. A bold claim without anything to back it up. I can do that too, but it doesn’t make it fact.

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Hamuko 6y ago

>Tech has a very clear problem with continued sexism and racism. >There's no equivalent dynamic around the history of the word "kill." I thought that the recent US protests were exactly because there's a racial dynamic when it comes to killings?

_-david-_ 6y ago

There were white racists who killed blacks.

loco5niner 6y ago

No more absurd than the comment they were replying to.

marvin 6y ago

Maybe it's relevant to point out that white Americans perpetrating slavery against Africans is by far not the only instance of slavery in world history. So in the light of this, it's a little silly to be terribly afraid of the terms "master" and "slave" due to presumed racial bias. For example, Mediterranean people were for a long time regularly kidnapped by Arab raiders from the south. Vikings kidnapped people from the British isles. Etc.