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What do you think the conviction rates in western courts are? It's pretty close to 99% as well.

mthoms 6y ago
You literally just made that up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
- pizza 6y ago
  So is 93% (DoJ, 2012) far or close to 99%?
  - isoprophlex 6y ago
    13 out of 14, or 99 out of 100. You be the judge. Edit: more like 999 out of 1000 as per that wiki page: > In China, the justice system has a conviction rate of 99.9% in 2014.
- shadowprofile77 6y ago
  No he didn't. The link itself shows both the lower 2018 percentages from the justice statistics bureau and also mentions the 2012 DOJ 93% rate. No clear explanation is given for the divergence over those years or how it fits together overall but he didn't lie about the source.
  - mthoms 6y ago
    Re-read the part where they said "western courts". Also, that 93% number is Federal only. As per the link, the state numbers range (roughly) from the low 60's to the low 80's.
ddona 6y ago
In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
kolanos 6y ago
Was curious, so looked it up: > In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%). China's rate in 2014 was 99.9%. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
ddona 6y ago
Moved off the front page quickly...Gone!

You literally just made that up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

pizza 6y ago
So is 93% (DoJ, 2012) far or close to 99%?
- isoprophlex 6y ago
  13 out of 14, or 99 out of 100. You be the judge. Edit: more like 999 out of 1000 as per that wiki page: > In China, the justice system has a conviction rate of 99.9% in 2014.
shadowprofile77 6y ago
No he didn't. The link itself shows both the lower 2018 percentages from the justice statistics bureau and also mentions the 2012 DOJ 93% rate. No clear explanation is given for the divergence over those years or how it fits together overall but he didn't lie about the source.
- mthoms 6y ago
  Re-read the part where they said "western courts". Also, that 93% number is Federal only. As per the link, the state numbers range (roughly) from the low 60's to the low 80's.

ddona 6y ago

In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

kolanos 6y ago

Was curious, so looked it up: > In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%). China's rate in 2014 was 99.9%. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

ddona 6y ago

Moved off the front page quickly...Gone!