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To be honest, as European I think China and US are pretty similar in many ways (propaganda, law enforcement etc). So said each country has their own problem bu

To be honest, as European I think China and US are pretty similar in many ways (propaganda, law enforcement etc). So said each country has their own problem but if anybody focus more on resolving their internal problem before teaching everybody how to live would be better. In this forum is very hard to discuss anything serious that doesn't follow the prevalent opinion that you get down votes without reason.

kolanos 6y ago
> To be honest, as European I think China and US are pretty similar in many ways (propaganda, law enforcement etc). As a non-European, non-American and non-Chinese I find this utterly confused line of thinking depressing. It is clear Europeans are subject to their own propaganda in this regard.
- genoapol 6y ago
  Except the Chinese haven't acted like global parasites for the past few centuries like Europe and America.
  - tristor 6y ago
    Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". Value judgements on whether that hegemony has been a net positive or net negative for the world, aside. I'd say your viewpoint of the world is not based on reality.
    - IllogicalLogic 6y ago
      >Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". It stated "Europe & America" acted like global parasites. Just because we renamed part of the British Empire, it doesn't mean US history starts at Independence. The genocide that occurred on these continents (the Americas pre-independence) and the drugging and robbing of China for a century (post-independence) are some of the largest scale parasitic exercises in human history. Haven't even mentioned the 10-12 million enslaved...
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. Please don't do that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - kolanos 6y ago
        The U.S. (1865) and Britain (1833) abolished slavery before China did. > Slavery in China has taken various forms throughout history. Slavery was abolished as a legally recognized institution, including in a 1909 law fully enacted in 1910, although the practice continued until at least 1949. Illegal acts of forced labor and sexual slavery in China continue to occur in the twenty-first century, but those found guilty of such crimes are punished harshly. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
        boruto 6y ago
        Briton still holds colonies to this date. As a citizen of former colony[India] its laughable when you say slavery was abolished in 1833 because people in my country were treated no better till our independence. Edited.
        kolanos 6y ago
        > As a citizen of former colony [...] because people in my country were treated no better till our independence. Same could be said about the United States. But unless you specify which country you're referring, I'll leave it there.
        poiuytrewqa 6y ago
        I'd say we've to read both sides then. > The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States every year with 80% of those being women and children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery_in_the_Un...
Karunamon 6y ago
You're probably attracting downvotes because comparing China (show trials, double jeopardy, arbitrary and whim-based penalties) to the US when it comes to capital punishment is not even remotely accurate.
- petre 6y ago
  The US has a police brutality problem, not a fair trial issue like China. And yes, long prison terms, a private for profit prison system and the death penalty in some states.
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TinkersW 6y ago
You do understand that much of the news you read about the US is wildly exaggerated? Having traveled and met various young Europeans they were often suffering from amazingly ignorant ideas about life in the US(particularly the Germans). One couple was scared they might get shot while traveling along coastal California. Surprise, gun violence is not evenly distributed, most Americans don't encounter any gun violence. Police violence? Never seen any except on TV. Weird hu? Seems to be plenty of propaganda in your own news media, why do you think you are equating China & USA?
- poiuytrewqa 6y ago
  The same problem you're referring to is also true for news regarding China. Have you ever thought about it? I've traveled for an extended time in both US and China and as you say you hardly get shot on a trip in California you also will not get arrested just for holding a foreign passport in Shanghai As far I'm concerned I felt much safer in China for many reason that I'm not here to explain.

kolanos 6y ago

> To be honest, as European I think China and US are pretty similar in many ways (propaganda, law enforcement etc). As a non-European, non-American and non-Chinese I find this utterly confused line of thinking depressing. It is clear Europeans are subject to their own propaganda in this regard.

genoapol 6y ago
Except the Chinese haven't acted like global parasites for the past few centuries like Europe and America.
- tristor 6y ago
  Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". Value judgements on whether that hegemony has been a net positive or net negative for the world, aside. I'd say your viewpoint of the world is not based on reality.
  - IllogicalLogic 6y ago
    >Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". It stated "Europe & America" acted like global parasites. Just because we renamed part of the British Empire, it doesn't mean US history starts at Independence. The genocide that occurred on these continents (the Americas pre-independence) and the drugging and robbing of China for a century (post-independence) are some of the largest scale parasitic exercises in human history. Haven't even mentioned the 10-12 million enslaved...
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. Please don't do that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - kolanos 6y ago
      The U.S. (1865) and Britain (1833) abolished slavery before China did. > Slavery in China has taken various forms throughout history. Slavery was abolished as a legally recognized institution, including in a 1909 law fully enacted in 1910, although the practice continued until at least 1949. Illegal acts of forced labor and sexual slavery in China continue to occur in the twenty-first century, but those found guilty of such crimes are punished harshly. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
      - boruto 6y ago
        Briton still holds colonies to this date. As a citizen of former colony[India] its laughable when you say slavery was abolished in 1833 because people in my country were treated no better till our independence. Edited.
        kolanos 6y ago
        > As a citizen of former colony [...] because people in my country were treated no better till our independence. Same could be said about the United States. But unless you specify which country you're referring, I'll leave it there.
      - poiuytrewqa 6y ago
        I'd say we've to read both sides then. > The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States every year with 80% of those being women and children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery_in_the_Un...

Karunamon 6y ago

You're probably attracting downvotes because comparing China (show trials, double jeopardy, arbitrary and whim-based penalties) to the US when it comes to capital punishment is not even remotely accurate.

petre 6y ago
The US has a police brutality problem, not a fair trial issue like China. And yes, long prison terms, a private for profit prison system and the death penalty in some states.

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TinkersW 6y ago

You do understand that much of the news you read about the US is wildly exaggerated? Having traveled and met various young Europeans they were often suffering from amazingly ignorant ideas about life in the US(particularly the Germans). One couple was scared they might get shot while traveling along coastal California. Surprise, gun violence is not evenly distributed, most Americans don't encounter any gun violence. Police violence? Never seen any except on TV. Weird hu? Seems to be plenty of propaganda in your own news media, why do you think you are equating China & USA?

poiuytrewqa 6y ago
The same problem you're referring to is also true for news regarding China. Have you ever thought about it? I've traveled for an extended time in both US and China and as you say you hardly get shot on a trip in California you also will not get arrested just for holding a foreign passport in Shanghai As far I'm concerned I felt much safer in China for many reason that I'm not here to explain.