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Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword on the job posting, it tells me one thing - the HR person is incompetent, mo

by janoc 6y ago

Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword on the job posting, it tells me one thing - the HR person is incompetent, most likely has no idea what the real needs of the company are and is filling the job advert with meaningless filler, especially since at one point everyone wanted only "rockstar" developers. And if it is a company itself advertising like this, that reeks of the "bro" culture, crazy hours and similar problems. That's pretty big red flag for me and I am certainly neither female nor Gen-Z (up in my mid-40s now).

gruez 6y ago
>Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword "full-stack" is a buzzword now? How else would you describe a role where you'll be doing backend and frontend?
- Brian_K_White 6y ago
  It can be both accurate and a buzzword. What is so hard to believe about a buzzword that started out as a merely descriptive term? It's definitely an over-used and mis-used term now. A dog whistle.
- EliRivers 6y ago
  Full-stack always has been a buzzword. It means everything and nothing. I've seen full-stack mean "assembly code to screen pixel", I've seen it mean LAMP, I've seen it mean three or four specific technologies that the candidate is presumably meant to guess are the technologies being used.
  - 0xfffafaCrash 6y ago
    Almost no full stack developers are expected to work with assembly (unless explicitly stated) so that seems more than a little hyperbolic. Full-stack in its common usage doesn't mean "everything and nothing." People might disagree about where the exact boundaries are, but there are a lot of people who definitely don't count by any definition so it does convey information. Those who only work with HTML & CSS & client-side javascript are definitely not doing full-stack development. Nor or those doing purely server-side work, database administration, cloud computing, systems/network programming, etc. that never involves a UI with user interaction of any kind. That's quite a lot of people who would immediately understand that they don't meet the qualifications for a position that requires experience as a full stack developer.
    - EliRivers 6y ago
      there are a lot of people who definitely don't count by any definition That is the typical answer I see; the opinion of anyone who disagrees with your opinion is inherently invalid. YOU know what "full stack" means, anyone who thinks it's something else is wrong.
    - com2kid 6y ago
      > Almost no full stack developers are expected to work with assembly (unless explicitly stated) so that seems more than a little hyperbolic. In the embedded world, a full stack developer would be someone who can read electrical schematics, write drivers, write libraries, and by the time you've done all of that the UI part is, comparatively, trivial. Been there, done it, would 100% recommend it. You feel much closer to your code than when 10 abstraction layers are in the way.

by janoc 6y ago

gruez 6y ago

>Well, seriously, if some HR drone puts "rockstar", "full-stack" or similar buzzword "full-stack" is a buzzword now? How else would you describe a role where you'll be doing backend and frontend?

Brian_K_White 6y ago
It can be both accurate and a buzzword. What is so hard to believe about a buzzword that started out as a merely descriptive term? It's definitely an over-used and mis-used term now. A dog whistle.
EliRivers 6y ago
Full-stack always has been a buzzword. It means everything and nothing. I've seen full-stack mean "assembly code to screen pixel", I've seen it mean LAMP, I've seen it mean three or four specific technologies that the candidate is presumably meant to guess are the technologies being used.
- 0xfffafaCrash 6y ago
  Almost no full stack developers are expected to work with assembly (unless explicitly stated) so that seems more than a little hyperbolic. Full-stack in its common usage doesn't mean "everything and nothing." People might disagree about where the exact boundaries are, but there are a lot of people who definitely don't count by any definition so it does convey information. Those who only work with HTML & CSS & client-side javascript are definitely not doing full-stack development. Nor or those doing purely server-side work, database administration, cloud computing, systems/network programming, etc. that never involves a UI with user interaction of any kind. That's quite a lot of people who would immediately understand that they don't meet the qualifications for a position that requires experience as a full stack developer.
  - EliRivers 6y ago
    there are a lot of people who definitely don't count by any definition That is the typical answer I see; the opinion of anyone who disagrees with your opinion is inherently invalid. YOU know what "full stack" means, anyone who thinks it's something else is wrong.
  - com2kid 6y ago
    > Almost no full stack developers are expected to work with assembly (unless explicitly stated) so that seems more than a little hyperbolic. In the embedded world, a full stack developer would be someone who can read electrical schematics, write drivers, write libraries, and by the time you've done all of that the UI part is, comparatively, trivial. Been there, done it, would 100% recommend it. You feel much closer to your code than when 10 abstraction layers are in the way.