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I am deeply troubled that we have normalised public executions on the basis of allegations. No person or group should have that power to effectively end someone

I am deeply troubled that we have normalised public executions on the basis of allegations. No person or group should have that power to effectively end someone’s career on accusations alone.

rbg246 6y ago
I'm more worried about the 95%+ of sexual assaults that perpetrators get away with.
- drevil-v2 6y ago
  Citation needed for that “95%+” claim. And While you are at it, can you spell out what exactly you mean by “sexual assault“? It seems to me that the meaning has been corrupted in order to further political and ideological aims of the accusers and executioners.
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  - rbg246 6y ago
    Yes no problems it's all out there. 19% of women report sexual violence to police. (1) 10% of those reports result in a conviction. (2) So actually I was being conservative, it's actually 98%+ get away with it based on these two sources. And we haven't even got to child sexual assault conviction rates. (1) http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/056A404DAA576AE6CA2571D00080E985/$File/49060_2005%20(reissue).pdf http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/056... (2) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/why-do-so-few-sexual-assault-result-in-convictions/10492256 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/why-do-so-few-sexual-...
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    - thatoneuser 6y ago
      Very interesting that men experienced sexual assault almost twice as much as women. Yet I've never seen a media witch hunt for female aggressors (maybe it's happened, I've just never seen it.)
    - throw_m239339 6y ago
      > 98%+ get away with it based on these two sources. Your first stats are 15 year old and are only applicable to Canada. You can't make broad generalizations like that. Different countries have different culture and very different legal systems.
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      - rbg246 6y ago
        Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure who you were replying with as the cited data was not from Canada and was not 15 years old. If you have a more nuanced reply with better data sources please do so.
- kwistzhaderach 6y ago
  Yeah so to counter that, we should obviously dismiss everyone accused.
goblin89 6y ago
Reports of harassment at Ubisoft include Hascoet’s actions and statements with witnesses, actions that his coworkers mimicked after him, and also matter of official record[0]. An “allegation” does not mean a groundless accusation. Any claim, even a very obvious and serious one, would be referred to in media as “allegation” until the accused is convicted. The conviction does not always happen even in clear-cut cases, as the matter might not end up in court for various reasons unrelated to the truth of the claim. The fact that measures were taken by the employer (some measures appear to be directly detrimental to the company, such as firing someone in charge of most of their products) shows that the allegations are likely firmly based in reality. [0] “…a definition of workplace harassment that was updated in 2015 to remove the example of a manager sexually harassing a reporting employee”
maroonblazer 6y ago
Broadly speaking I don't disagree with you, but in this instance the evidence appears quite damning.
noisymemories 6y ago
The article reports about multiple journalistic investigations by detailing the systemic corruption and coverups of sexual crimes bye the company managerial staff and HR, stemmed by the accusation of ex-employees on personal blogs, twitter, journalistic outlets - showing episodes of sexual harassment, sexual violence, penetrative rape - episodes often corroborated by several other current and ex-employees. And the term you decide to describe all of this is "allegation" and "public executions". Interesting choice of words. I mean, if you had enough informations to prove that what Libèration and Bloomberg wrote is unsubstantiated, that would be quite a revelation. In France, that would also carry heavy legal implications. So, I think a lot of people would like to hear more about that. Especially those fired right now from Ubi. Otherwise, in the off chance that you can't exactly prove that such journalistic investigations are false...just tell me, honestly, what are you arguing about?
RobLach 6y ago
I guess it’s fortunate that isn’t the case here.

I am deeply troubled that we have normalised public executions on the basis of allegations. No person or group should have that power to effectively end someone’s career on accusations alone.

rbg246 6y ago

I'm more worried about the 95%+ of sexual assaults that perpetrators get away with.

drevil-v2 6y ago
Citation needed for that “95%+” claim. And While you are at it, can you spell out what exactly you mean by “sexual assault“? It seems to me that the meaning has been corrupted in order to further political and ideological aims of the accusers and executioners.
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- rbg246 6y ago
  Yes no problems it's all out there. 19% of women report sexual violence to police. (1) 10% of those reports result in a conviction. (2) So actually I was being conservative, it's actually 98%+ get away with it based on these two sources. And we haven't even got to child sexual assault conviction rates. (1) http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/056A404DAA576AE6CA2571D00080E985/$File/49060_2005%20(reissue).pdf http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/056... (2) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/why-do-so-few-sexual-assault-result-in-convictions/10492256 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/why-do-so-few-sexual-...
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  - thatoneuser 6y ago
    Very interesting that men experienced sexual assault almost twice as much as women. Yet I've never seen a media witch hunt for female aggressors (maybe it's happened, I've just never seen it.)
  - throw_m239339 6y ago
    > 98%+ get away with it based on these two sources. Your first stats are 15 year old and are only applicable to Canada. You can't make broad generalizations like that. Different countries have different culture and very different legal systems.
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    - rbg246 6y ago
      Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure who you were replying with as the cited data was not from Canada and was not 15 years old. If you have a more nuanced reply with better data sources please do so.
kwistzhaderach 6y ago
Yeah so to counter that, we should obviously dismiss everyone accused.

goblin89 6y ago

Reports of harassment at Ubisoft include Hascoet’s actions and statements with witnesses, actions that his coworkers mimicked after him, and also matter of official record[0]. An “allegation” does not mean a groundless accusation. Any claim, even a very obvious and serious one, would be referred to in media as “allegation” until the accused is convicted. The conviction does not always happen even in clear-cut cases, as the matter might not end up in court for various reasons unrelated to the truth of the claim. The fact that measures were taken by the employer (some measures appear to be directly detrimental to the company, such as firing someone in charge of most of their products) shows that the allegations are likely firmly based in reality. [0] “…a definition of workplace harassment that was updated in 2015 to remove the example of a manager sexually harassing a reporting employee”

maroonblazer 6y ago

Broadly speaking I don't disagree with you, but in this instance the evidence appears quite damning.

noisymemories 6y ago

The article reports about multiple journalistic investigations by detailing the systemic corruption and coverups of sexual crimes bye the company managerial staff and HR, stemmed by the accusation of ex-employees on personal blogs, twitter, journalistic outlets - showing episodes of sexual harassment, sexual violence, penetrative rape - episodes often corroborated by several other current and ex-employees. And the term you decide to describe all of this is "allegation" and "public executions". Interesting choice of words. I mean, if you had enough informations to prove that what Libèration and Bloomberg wrote is unsubstantiated, that would be quite a revelation. In France, that would also carry heavy legal implications. So, I think a lot of people would like to hear more about that. Especially those fired right now from Ubi. Otherwise, in the off chance that you can't exactly prove that such journalistic investigations are false...just tell me, honestly, what are you arguing about?

RobLach 6y ago

I guess it’s fortunate that isn’t the case here.