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> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created

by juped 6y ago

> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830 https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830

usrusr 6y ago
That's how you identify job postings that are looking for a 10x developer ;)
- xwdv 6y ago
  Hmm, I wonder if I’ve been looking at these requirements all wrong then. If a year of work experience is about 2000 hours, maybe what they’re really saying is they want someone with 8000 hours of experience, which I guess is possible in 1.5 years.
  - ohgodplsno 6y ago
    No, it's just HR being HR. They don't know what they want.
    - nogabebop23 6y ago
      It's worse than that, HR is hiring for someone else. I think there are valid cases where someone doesn't know what they want, but can't think of an example when it's acceptable to "not know what is wanted" when that's the sole purpose of your job.
af65t34f75693 6y ago
The only thing I don't like about it is how every line in this tweet ends in a 'fitting' emoji I'm not even that old (born in the 80s), but is that the style adults use now?
- Semaphor 6y ago
  Language changes, and so does written language. I used to use many ASCII smileys, those are pretty rare now.
- mavhc 6y ago
  They've gone full ancient Egyptian
- dharmab 6y ago
  Adults have been using emoticons in casual online conversation for decades. Certainly for most of your lifetime.
  - bendergarcia 6y ago
    I remember viruses where spread easily through emoji packs for msn and other messengers back in the day.
  - gruez 6y ago
    But do they put one at the end of every sentence like it was punctuation?
    - monkpit 6y ago
      Sometimes :)
    - deleted 6y ago
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- SquareWheel 6y ago
  I found myself stopping after each line trying to understand the inscrutable images. A tie I get, as it's related to business. The nervous laughing face and recycling symbol are beyond me.
  - derefr 6y ago
    The third line’s emoji is conciliatory false embarrassment masking amusement, e.g. the emotion on your face after you intentionally lose in arm-wrestling to a five-year-old. That’s a pretty standard meaning for that emoji, despite the subtle shade of its meaning, because it’s quite common on Twitter or Instagram that you want to humble-brag about “what they missed out on”, but you also want to make it explicit that you realize that you’re doing so (a bit like sarcasm-flagging.) The fourth line’s emoji is presumably a substitute for a “refresh” (or more precisely, “recompute”) icon, since we don’t actually have one of those. ...which is rather uncommon usage; but the proper emotion (“knowing but non-judgemental stare, as if a parent waiting for their child to figure out that they’re supposed to close the fridge after taking something from it”) isn’t a standard Unicode emoji... yet. (But nearly every Discord group I’m in has a custom one for that purpose!)
pythonwizz 6y ago
If I were you I would have applied with exactly this sentence, even if I were not looking for a job.
- juped 6y ago
  I don't think this needs saying but I am not Sebastian Ramirez (hence the meme arrows indicating quotation).
  - NullPrefix 6y ago
    >meme arrows
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jarym 6y ago
This happened to me - got a call from a recruiter who said client needed 10 years. I replied 'I was a teenager back then' to which she said 'so you don't have enough experience?'. I responded 'Well I helped create the thing, it hasn't been around 10 years'. Silence followed, I was thoroughly dis-interested after that.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  > I was thoroughly dis-interested after that. Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. Recruiting people / HR are just an administrative barrier to get through. Once you speak to the actual team you'd be working with, you can start being more discerning of the quality of the people.
  - mcherm 6y ago
    > Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. It shouldn't. A well-run company should refuse to work with recruiters who lack experience and intelligence.
  - pcmoney 6y ago
    No, never this. If the hiring manager won’t be your manager or in the same tree, run. If they cant be bothered to read the job description they put out, run. If the technology is critical enough to need previous experience managers should know enough about it to not make this mistake. Hiring is the most important thing managers do. If they suck at that it really doesn’t matter if they are great at other things.
    - vmception 6y ago
      its shocking how many people here totally misunderstand the role and daily job of inhouse recruiters they churn out these job requirements daily the person you speak with on the phone wasn't involved with writing it, just correct them and get to the first technical person as soon as possible. this is done at companies of all sizes, whether it is IBM, Google, Uber, Pinterest, as well as expected in non-tech companies. you guys are in for a rude awakening if you think this is still an employees market in choosing companies based on the smallest, most irrelevant and nuanced signals of operational efficiency
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pletnes 6y ago
Ah, this is standard python. For instance, «5 < x < 8» converts to «5 < x and x < 8». So «5 years experience and experience in FastAPI» is the pythonic reading of that job ad.

by juped 6y ago

usrusr 6y ago

That's how you identify job postings that are looking for a 10x developer ;)

xwdv 6y ago
Hmm, I wonder if I’ve been looking at these requirements all wrong then. If a year of work experience is about 2000 hours, maybe what they’re really saying is they want someone with 8000 hours of experience, which I guess is possible in 1.5 years.
- ohgodplsno 6y ago
  No, it's just HR being HR. They don't know what they want.
  - nogabebop23 6y ago
    It's worse than that, HR is hiring for someone else. I think there are valid cases where someone doesn't know what they want, but can't think of an example when it's acceptable to "not know what is wanted" when that's the sole purpose of your job.

af65t34f75693 6y ago

The only thing I don't like about it is how every line in this tweet ends in a 'fitting' emoji I'm not even that old (born in the 80s), but is that the style adults use now?

Semaphor 6y ago
Language changes, and so does written language. I used to use many ASCII smileys, those are pretty rare now.
mavhc 6y ago
They've gone full ancient Egyptian
dharmab 6y ago
Adults have been using emoticons in casual online conversation for decades. Certainly for most of your lifetime.
- bendergarcia 6y ago
  I remember viruses where spread easily through emoji packs for msn and other messengers back in the day.
- gruez 6y ago
  But do they put one at the end of every sentence like it was punctuation?
  - monkpit 6y ago
    Sometimes :)
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
SquareWheel 6y ago
I found myself stopping after each line trying to understand the inscrutable images. A tie I get, as it's related to business. The nervous laughing face and recycling symbol are beyond me.
- derefr 6y ago
  The third line’s emoji is conciliatory false embarrassment masking amusement, e.g. the emotion on your face after you intentionally lose in arm-wrestling to a five-year-old. That’s a pretty standard meaning for that emoji, despite the subtle shade of its meaning, because it’s quite common on Twitter or Instagram that you want to humble-brag about “what they missed out on”, but you also want to make it explicit that you realize that you’re doing so (a bit like sarcasm-flagging.) The fourth line’s emoji is presumably a substitute for a “refresh” (or more precisely, “recompute”) icon, since we don’t actually have one of those. ...which is rather uncommon usage; but the proper emotion (“knowing but non-judgemental stare, as if a parent waiting for their child to figure out that they’re supposed to close the fridge after taking something from it”) isn’t a standard Unicode emoji... yet. (But nearly every Discord group I’m in has a custom one for that purpose!)

pythonwizz 6y ago

If I were you I would have applied with exactly this sentence, even if I were not looking for a job.

juped 6y ago
I don't think this needs saying but I am not Sebastian Ramirez (hence the meme arrows indicating quotation).
- NullPrefix 6y ago
  >meme arrows
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]

jarym 6y ago

This happened to me - got a call from a recruiter who said client needed 10 years. I replied 'I was a teenager back then' to which she said 'so you don't have enough experience?'. I responded 'Well I helped create the thing, it hasn't been around 10 years'. Silence followed, I was thoroughly dis-interested after that.

koheripbal 6y ago
> I was thoroughly dis-interested after that. Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. Recruiting people / HR are just an administrative barrier to get through. Once you speak to the actual team you'd be working with, you can start being more discerning of the quality of the people.
- mcherm 6y ago
  > Why? The experience and intelligence of the recruiter has almost zero correlation to the experience and intelligence of the people you'd be working with. It shouldn't. A well-run company should refuse to work with recruiters who lack experience and intelligence.
- pcmoney 6y ago
  No, never this. If the hiring manager won’t be your manager or in the same tree, run. If they cant be bothered to read the job description they put out, run. If the technology is critical enough to need previous experience managers should know enough about it to not make this mistake. Hiring is the most important thing managers do. If they suck at that it really doesn’t matter if they are great at other things.
  - vmception 6y ago
    its shocking how many people here totally misunderstand the role and daily job of inhouse recruiters they churn out these job requirements daily the person you speak with on the phone wasn't involved with writing it, just correct them and get to the first technical person as soon as possible. this is done at companies of all sizes, whether it is IBM, Google, Uber, Pinterest, as well as expected in non-tech companies. you guys are in for a rude awakening if you think this is still an employees market in choosing companies based on the smallest, most irrelevant and nuanced signals of operational efficiency

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pletnes 6y ago

Ah, this is standard python. For instance, «5 < x < 8» converts to «5 < x and x < 8». So «5 years experience and experience in FastAPI» is the pythonic reading of that job ad.