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None of those are both portable and widely available on end user machines, which is needed for games CUDA seems nice, but being Nvidia only makes it a total de

None of those are both portable and widely available on end user machines, which is needed for games CUDA seems nice, but being Nvidia only makes it a total dead end.

kmbriedis 6y ago
I believe the ML community will strongly disagree. CUDA is everything
- ethelward 6y ago
  Because the academic ML community does not care about shipping product to end users not equipped in nVidia.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Except SYSCL also works on AMD and Intel, and also has a CUDA backend, but apparently you missed that part. In what concerns commercial uses of CUDA, Hollywood doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor the car manufacturers with Jetson.
    - TinkersW 6y ago
      SYSCL might be an option, but it doesn't seem to have much in the way of adoption(Forum is dead)which is concerning. It does look like Intel is supporting at least, so maybe in the future it will be a good option.
pjmlp 6y ago
Windows and iOS gaming community with disagree will that statement. Or are you speaking about the 1% Linux users on Steam?
slavik81 6y ago
Disclaimer: I work on AMD ROCm, but my opinions are my own. There's also HIP[1], which can be used as a thin wrapper around CUDA, or with the ROCm backend on AMD platforms. It doesn't yet match CUDA in either breadth of features or maturity, but it's getting closer every day. [1]: https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP
- gnufx 6y ago
  As I understand it, that has to work for the CORAL 2 US "exascale", so people who've been proved fairly right so far obviously have some confidence in it. (de Supinksi of Livermore said he'd be out of a job if conventional wisdom was right, though it was pretty obvious at the time that it wasn't.) Free software too, praise be.
- TinkersW 6y ago
  It looks good but without Intel iGPU support I don't think any gamedevs would use it :/ I wish all the GPU companies would get together and make a standard based on C++ and stick with it.

None of those are both portable and widely available on end user machines, which is needed for games CUDA seems nice, but being Nvidia only makes it a total dead end.

kmbriedis 6y ago

I believe the ML community will strongly disagree. CUDA is everything

ethelward 6y ago
Because the academic ML community does not care about shipping product to end users not equipped in nVidia.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Except SYSCL also works on AMD and Intel, and also has a CUDA backend, but apparently you missed that part. In what concerns commercial uses of CUDA, Hollywood doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor the car manufacturers with Jetson.
  - TinkersW 6y ago
    SYSCL might be an option, but it doesn't seem to have much in the way of adoption(Forum is dead)which is concerning. It does look like Intel is supporting at least, so maybe in the future it will be a good option.

pjmlp 6y ago

Windows and iOS gaming community with disagree will that statement. Or are you speaking about the 1% Linux users on Steam?

slavik81 6y ago

Disclaimer: I work on AMD ROCm, but my opinions are my own. There's also HIP[1], which can be used as a thin wrapper around CUDA, or with the ROCm backend on AMD platforms. It doesn't yet match CUDA in either breadth of features or maturity, but it's getting closer every day. [1]: https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP

gnufx 6y ago
As I understand it, that has to work for the CORAL 2 US "exascale", so people who've been proved fairly right so far obviously have some confidence in it. (de Supinksi of Livermore said he'd be out of a job if conventional wisdom was right, though it was pretty obvious at the time that it wasn't.) Free software too, praise be.
TinkersW 6y ago
It looks good but without Intel iGPU support I don't think any gamedevs would use it :/ I wish all the GPU companies would get together and make a standard based on C++ and stick with it.