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Cloudflare can be difficult at times. I am in New Zealand and a company I worked for used Cloudflare and we found out that our site was being served from Japan

by aeoanx 6y ago

Cloudflare can be difficult at times. I am in New Zealand and a company I worked for used Cloudflare and we found out that our site was being served from Japan most of the time (8800 km away). This meant a request would go: Auckland -> Japan -> Sydney (our data center) The fix was to upgrade to their $200/mo plan and we found we would be served from AKL or SYD most of the time, occasionally still Japan.

manigandham 6y ago
This is often an internet routing issue. Also their Argo product can sometimes have bad routes chosen. Did you try their support? As a CDN, they’re very interested in fixing any performance problems quickly.
- deadlyllama 6y ago
  The two biggest telcos in NZ won't peer freely. At least for the biggest (Spark) Cloudflare delivers from far away. Also Cloudflare "protected" 8chan during the Christchurch terrorist shooting last year which makes them unpopular in some quarters. I have heard that given as a reason our largest telco won't peer with them.
  - rjeli 6y ago
    funny, I have distaste for cloudflare because the ceo “woke up one morning in a bad mood” and decided to boot the daily stormer. Censorship without due process. not trying to debate that decision here, but it seems they got the worst of both worlds.
    - 1f60c 6y ago
      Hold on. You do know The Daily Stormer is a far-right neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and Holocaust denial commentary and message board website that advocates for the genocide of Jews, right?
      - herbstein 6y ago
        But my free speech, maaaaaan. There's a certain subset of the tech community that entirely doesn't get that words result in real-world harm. It isn't just bytes in a database we can be indifferent to because it doesn't affect anything.
        manigandham 6y ago
        There's a certain subset of the tech community that doesn't get that speech and action are different things, and that either all speech is protected or none is. Government is different from the private sector but as we rapidly move towards a future ruled by megacorporations, the application of rules and laws becomes ever more important.
        rumanator 6y ago
        > doesn't get that speech and action are different things, and that either all speech is protected or none is. That only covers how government is supposed to act, right? I mean, a hosting company is free to pick how their service is used. If a client insists in abusing and breaking the law by, say, repeatedly publishing hate speech, doesn't the company has the right to act? I mean, just the reputation hit makes this a business liability.
        manigandham 6y ago
        I covered that in the 2nd paragraph. Publishing hate speech is not against the law, it's not even a real definition. The greater point is that the company can do what it wants but we should be wary as companies turn into major oligopolies/monopolies with arbitrary unaccountable policies. See Youtube and Facebook for the current crisis.
    - wolfgang42 6y ago
      The Daily Stormer shot themselves in the foot by libeling Cloudflare. Before that CF was perfectly willing to give them service, in the interests of being content-neutral provider, despite believing that the site itself was vile. CF themselves have raised similar concerns about due process in the way they handled this particular case, but I can understand why they dropped a customer against whom they had a pretty strong case for suing. https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
    - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
      Censorship is something done by the government. Daily Stormer could have easily moved to another provider. Just because Nazis are being kicked off of private platforms doesn't mean "censorship" is being done. I'm kind of taken aback at how you think "due process" which is a legal term would be implemented by a private entity.
      - rjeli 6y ago
        cool, I still would prefer to do business with clear policies governing what kind of content gets you banned.

by aeoanx 6y ago

manigandham 6y ago

This is often an internet routing issue. Also their Argo product can sometimes have bad routes chosen. Did you try their support? As a CDN, they’re very interested in fixing any performance problems quickly.

deadlyllama 6y ago
The two biggest telcos in NZ won't peer freely. At least for the biggest (Spark) Cloudflare delivers from far away. Also Cloudflare "protected" 8chan during the Christchurch terrorist shooting last year which makes them unpopular in some quarters. I have heard that given as a reason our largest telco won't peer with them.
- rjeli 6y ago
  funny, I have distaste for cloudflare because the ceo “woke up one morning in a bad mood” and decided to boot the daily stormer. Censorship without due process. not trying to debate that decision here, but it seems they got the worst of both worlds.
  - 1f60c 6y ago
    Hold on. You do know The Daily Stormer is a far-right neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and Holocaust denial commentary and message board website that advocates for the genocide of Jews, right?
    - herbstein 6y ago
      But my free speech, maaaaaan. There's a certain subset of the tech community that entirely doesn't get that words result in real-world harm. It isn't just bytes in a database we can be indifferent to because it doesn't affect anything.
      - manigandham 6y ago
        There's a certain subset of the tech community that doesn't get that speech and action are different things, and that either all speech is protected or none is. Government is different from the private sector but as we rapidly move towards a future ruled by megacorporations, the application of rules and laws becomes ever more important.
        rumanator 6y ago
        > doesn't get that speech and action are different things, and that either all speech is protected or none is. That only covers how government is supposed to act, right? I mean, a hosting company is free to pick how their service is used. If a client insists in abusing and breaking the law by, say, repeatedly publishing hate speech, doesn't the company has the right to act? I mean, just the reputation hit makes this a business liability.
        manigandham 6y ago
        I covered that in the 2nd paragraph. Publishing hate speech is not against the law, it's not even a real definition. The greater point is that the company can do what it wants but we should be wary as companies turn into major oligopolies/monopolies with arbitrary unaccountable policies. See Youtube and Facebook for the current crisis.
  - wolfgang42 6y ago
    The Daily Stormer shot themselves in the foot by libeling Cloudflare. Before that CF was perfectly willing to give them service, in the interests of being content-neutral provider, despite believing that the site itself was vile. CF themselves have raised similar concerns about due process in the way they handled this particular case, but I can understand why they dropped a customer against whom they had a pretty strong case for suing. https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
  - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
    Censorship is something done by the government. Daily Stormer could have easily moved to another provider. Just because Nazis are being kicked off of private platforms doesn't mean "censorship" is being done. I'm kind of taken aback at how you think "due process" which is a legal term would be implemented by a private entity.
    - rjeli 6y ago
      cool, I still would prefer to do business with clear policies governing what kind of content gets you banned.