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There was no alternative really, China would have just seized HK by force. Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong though with this immi

by eloff 6y ago

There was no alternative really, China would have just seized HK by force. Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong though with this immigration offer. Politicians rarely do the right thing instead of the self-interested thing, but you have to hand it to Johnson's government on this one.

FpUser 6y ago
>"Politicians rarely do the right thing instead of the self-interested thing, but you have to hand it to Johnson's government on this one." Not to worry, they'll still have a chance to turn it into Windrush Generation later on.
H8crilA 6y ago
> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong This is very much a long term, self-interest thing. Britain (just like any other developed country) heavily depends on immigration to not fall into Japanese-style deflation, since nobody wants to have kids any more. Hong-Kongers will probably make for some really good immigrants. That's what good business is like: win-win. The only downside is the possible retaliation by the CCP. And let's see if they actually let people leave HK en masse, or will they just lock all exits. And let's see how many people will actually want to go, even if you open all the doors for them. Whoever really wanted to leave has probably left quite a while ago.
rurounijones 6y ago
> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    This is a fact that is hated by many people for some reason. There birthrate of Japan is considered low, but they are growing still and the homogeneous society has social harmony, with none of the ills of multiculturalism. It's a trade-off for immigration boosting economies in the short term they don't think is worth it.
    - trianglem 6y ago
      None of the benefits of multiculturalism either.
      - Waterfall 6y ago
        What do you define as the benefits?
        trianglem 6y ago
        Living with and being able to interact with different cultures? That’s one of the main reasons I love the USA.
    - rurounijones 6y ago
      > There birthrate of Japan is considered low, but they are growing still I don't know where you are getting your information that the population of Japan is still growing. Japan's population is already declining. http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/pdf/2017all.pdf http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/pdf/2017all.pdf "Statistical Handbook of Japan" Table 2.2 https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2020/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2020/ ( https://www.populationpyramid.net/sources https://www.populationpyramid.net/sources ) https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/japan-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/japan-demographic... https://qz.com/1295721/the-japanese-population-is-shrinking-faster-than-every-other-big-country/ https://qz.com/1295721/the-japanese-population-is-shrinking-... https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00705/ https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00705/ "Japan’s Population Falls for Ninth Straight Year" https://www.ft.com/content/29d594fa-5cf2-11e9-9dde-7aedca0a081a https://www.ft.com/content/29d594fa-5cf2-11e9-9dde-7aedca0a0... "Japan’s population decline accelerates despite record immigration"

by eloff 6y ago

FpUser 6y ago

>"Politicians rarely do the right thing instead of the self-interested thing, but you have to hand it to Johnson's government on this one." Not to worry, they'll still have a chance to turn it into Windrush Generation later on.

H8crilA 6y ago

> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong This is very much a long term, self-interest thing. Britain (just like any other developed country) heavily depends on immigration to not fall into Japanese-style deflation, since nobody wants to have kids any more. Hong-Kongers will probably make for some really good immigrants. That's what good business is like: win-win. The only downside is the possible retaliation by the CCP. And let's see if they actually let people leave HK en masse, or will they just lock all exits. And let's see how many people will actually want to go, even if you open all the doors for them. Whoever really wanted to leave has probably left quite a while ago.

rurounijones 6y ago

> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism.

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  This is a fact that is hated by many people for some reason. There birthrate of Japan is considered low, but they are growing still and the homogeneous society has social harmony, with none of the ills of multiculturalism. It's a trade-off for immigration boosting economies in the short term they don't think is worth it.
  - trianglem 6y ago
    None of the benefits of multiculturalism either.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      What do you define as the benefits?
      - trianglem 6y ago
        Living with and being able to interact with different cultures? That’s one of the main reasons I love the USA.
  - rurounijones 6y ago
    > There birthrate of Japan is considered low, but they are growing still I don't know where you are getting your information that the population of Japan is still growing. Japan's population is already declining. http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/pdf/2017all.pdf http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/pdf/2017all.pdf "Statistical Handbook of Japan" Table 2.2 https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2020/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2020/ ( https://www.populationpyramid.net/sources https://www.populationpyramid.net/sources ) https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/japan-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/japan-demographic... https://qz.com/1295721/the-japanese-population-is-shrinking-faster-than-every-other-big-country/ https://qz.com/1295721/the-japanese-population-is-shrinking-... https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00705/ https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00705/ "Japan’s Population Falls for Ninth Straight Year" https://www.ft.com/content/29d594fa-5cf2-11e9-9dde-7aedca0a081a https://www.ft.com/content/29d594fa-5cf2-11e9-9dde-7aedca0a0... "Japan’s population decline accelerates despite record immigration"