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I wish the U.S. could make a New Hong Kong territory on the west coast somewhere. I think that would give the HKers access to the Pacific and a place to rebuild

I wish the U.S. could make a New Hong Kong territory on the west coast somewhere. I think that would give the HKers access to the Pacific and a place to rebuild. I'd love to have those brilliant entrepreneurs and engineers over here.

option 6y ago
we (US) should just give them all path to citizenship. No, special territory is a horrible idea.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Nah I think in HK's case it would be awesome. They'd have the autonomy to set up their own laws and regulations similar to what they currently have. I know this is a pie in the sky proposal but in my ideal world this would be a thing.
  - throwawaybab323 6y ago
    That sounds like a terrible idea. That would give china an excuse to try to kick the us out of asia.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      If you mean our military bases in Japan and South Korea, who have no great trust of China, I'm not sure why China's opinion would be relevant there. If it's not controversial for Britain to offer them citizenship then it shouldn't be for US either. Even if it is...you gotta stand up to communism.
      - tialaramex 6y ago
        > If it's not controversial for Britain to offer them citizenship then it shouldn't be for US either China objects strongly. It says these are Chinese citizens and Britain ceased to have any claim over the territory decades ago. Of course since Britain's offer exists only on paper (there is no mechanism proposed by which a typical person in Hong Kong should actually make use of the offer to leave) the Chinese objection likewise extends only to paper.
        mr_toad 6y ago
        Unless China proposes to keep its own citizens prisoners there’s not much it can do to stop them taking up the offer.
        gliese1337 6y ago
        Which it has been known to do....
  - fiblye 6y ago
    China would inevitably claim that it's part of China since it was granted to Hong Kongers exclusively, and Hong Kong is part of China. It'd be like Crimea all over again, except China could have a legal argument that it's theirs instead of just claiming soldiers are vacationing there.
    - alasdair_ 6y ago
      >It'd be like Crimea all over again I don't see China invading the west coast of the USA without a fight. A really big fight. And for what?
      - fiblye 6y ago
        Give Hong Kongers a piece of land and they wouldn’t even claim it’s an invasion. It’d be a piece of land given exclusively to people from China. In what world would China say that it isn’t theirs? They’ve claimed land with far shakier backing. Literally all they’d need to do is bus in a few loyal people, set them up to take power, and have them hand it over to Beijing. Because that’s exactly what’s happening with HK now and people here are saying it was a dumb idea. Why repeat it?
  - newacct583 6y ago
    It would be flatly illegal per the fourteenth amendment. We don't have special classes of citizens in the USA, period. Doing this constitutionally would require something like ceding the territory to a new government or something.
m0zg 6y ago
I think we should let the UK pay for its sins for a change. Setting up anything "autonomous" with its own laws and customs is a terrible idea. Assimilation should be a requirement for immigration.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Really, are Puerto Rico and Guam really that bad of a concept? I don't think so. Most of the western US was simply U.S. territory for decades.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    Puerto Rico doesn't make much sense to me - they should either be a state and have the full rights and federal oversight that every other state does, or be their own thing entirely. Living in this limbo world where you're a citizen but sometimes in name only if you're on the island seems wrong.
    - rayiner 6y ago
      They’re in a limbo because they don’t agree on what should happen. In the most recent real referendum (2012), a plurality slightly short of a majority wanted to maintain the status quo. But the rest were split: some wanted statehood, but the others wanted to be independent. Note that Puerto Ricans are fully citizens. The island itself doesn’t have representation in Congress because it’s not a state. (Which is a legal thing that’s distinct from the people who live in the state! The “United States” isn’t just a name, it has legal significance.)
      - oh_sigh 6y ago
        I agree for the historical reasons, but I don't think it should be left to Puerto Rico if they can't decide. The US should just say we are (state-hooding/evicting) you, unless you decide one way or the other. Along those same lines, I also think DC should gain representation in congress in some manner, either by largely becoming part of VA, or by becoming a 51st state(DC has more people than Wyoming or Vermont, and about as much as Alaska).
spot8ptr 6y ago
I wish HKer in the U.S. and Britain can have their own system (One country Two system). Otherwise it is worse than China.
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- tempestn 6y ago
  Rather than just downvoting I'll ask: how do you see the US and UK being worse than China?
coldtea 6y ago
>I think that would give the HKers access to the Pacific and a place to rebuild. I'd love to have those brilliant entrepreneurs and engineers over here. Not many special "brilliant entrepreneurs". Just regular ole entrepreneurs taking advantage of the specific spot HK was in, and the specific relationship between Britain and China for global trade. Merely bring the same people elsewhere would accomplish no great miracle. It's not like taking SV-based VCs and programmers into e.g. Oklahome (where they'd just make a new hotspot, since their skills are carried with them). It's more like taking the people in the tourist industry of Miami and moving them to Maine. It just wont work as well, since it was all about location in the first place...
- aswanson 6y ago
  There's nothing particularly special about SV VCs /programmers. Just a crapload of capital allocated there. Programmers are abundant throughout the country.
  - OrangeKnucles 6y ago
    lol
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >There's nothing particularly special about SV VCs programmers. Just a crapload of capital allocated there A crapload of capital tends to statistically attract the best programmers. Some of the biggest problems to solve/employers being there, ditto. In other words, my comment wasn't about born and raised SV VC/programmers. It was about VC/programmers working in SV.
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- fermienrico 6y ago
  Not sure if I agree. Maimi tourism shifting to Maine is totally different beast since tourism by definition relies on local sights. SV-based entrepreneurs are already going to places like Austin and Portland. It takes time. It would quicker if we get 3 million people situated in an abstract region of US since the critical mass to get the ball rolling would already have been achieved. It would be a challenge, but not for the reasons you've dilineated.
DarthGhandi 6y ago
No one wants to live in planned cities. Virtually all of them are failures. What's to stop any of them simply getting on a bus to Seattle or San Diego? Are you going to put the army around this territory? It's quite amusing the hypothetical lengths people will go to "caring" but still straight up open about not letting foreigners into their actual country.
Ghjklov 6y ago
It would be hilarious to see the US using their resources to help some (often wealthy and highly educated) people across the fucking ocean before using them to help the poor in their own country.

option 6y ago

we (US) should just give them all path to citizenship. No, special territory is a horrible idea.

chrisco255 6y ago
Nah I think in HK's case it would be awesome. They'd have the autonomy to set up their own laws and regulations similar to what they currently have. I know this is a pie in the sky proposal but in my ideal world this would be a thing.
- throwawaybab323 6y ago
  That sounds like a terrible idea. That would give china an excuse to try to kick the us out of asia.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    If you mean our military bases in Japan and South Korea, who have no great trust of China, I'm not sure why China's opinion would be relevant there. If it's not controversial for Britain to offer them citizenship then it shouldn't be for US either. Even if it is...you gotta stand up to communism.
    - tialaramex 6y ago
      > If it's not controversial for Britain to offer them citizenship then it shouldn't be for US either China objects strongly. It says these are Chinese citizens and Britain ceased to have any claim over the territory decades ago. Of course since Britain's offer exists only on paper (there is no mechanism proposed by which a typical person in Hong Kong should actually make use of the offer to leave) the Chinese objection likewise extends only to paper.
      - mr_toad 6y ago
        Unless China proposes to keep its own citizens prisoners there’s not much it can do to stop them taking up the offer.
        gliese1337 6y ago
        Which it has been known to do....
- fiblye 6y ago
  China would inevitably claim that it's part of China since it was granted to Hong Kongers exclusively, and Hong Kong is part of China. It'd be like Crimea all over again, except China could have a legal argument that it's theirs instead of just claiming soldiers are vacationing there.
  - alasdair_ 6y ago
    >It'd be like Crimea all over again I don't see China invading the west coast of the USA without a fight. A really big fight. And for what?
    - fiblye 6y ago
      Give Hong Kongers a piece of land and they wouldn’t even claim it’s an invasion. It’d be a piece of land given exclusively to people from China. In what world would China say that it isn’t theirs? They’ve claimed land with far shakier backing. Literally all they’d need to do is bus in a few loyal people, set them up to take power, and have them hand it over to Beijing. Because that’s exactly what’s happening with HK now and people here are saying it was a dumb idea. Why repeat it?
- newacct583 6y ago
  It would be flatly illegal per the fourteenth amendment. We don't have special classes of citizens in the USA, period. Doing this constitutionally would require something like ceding the territory to a new government or something.

m0zg 6y ago

I think we should let the UK pay for its sins for a change. Setting up anything "autonomous" with its own laws and customs is a terrible idea. Assimilation should be a requirement for immigration.

chrisco255 6y ago
Really, are Puerto Rico and Guam really that bad of a concept? I don't think so. Most of the western US was simply U.S. territory for decades.
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  Puerto Rico doesn't make much sense to me - they should either be a state and have the full rights and federal oversight that every other state does, or be their own thing entirely. Living in this limbo world where you're a citizen but sometimes in name only if you're on the island seems wrong.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    They’re in a limbo because they don’t agree on what should happen. In the most recent real referendum (2012), a plurality slightly short of a majority wanted to maintain the status quo. But the rest were split: some wanted statehood, but the others wanted to be independent. Note that Puerto Ricans are fully citizens. The island itself doesn’t have representation in Congress because it’s not a state. (Which is a legal thing that’s distinct from the people who live in the state! The “United States” isn’t just a name, it has legal significance.)
    - oh_sigh 6y ago
      I agree for the historical reasons, but I don't think it should be left to Puerto Rico if they can't decide. The US should just say we are (state-hooding/evicting) you, unless you decide one way or the other. Along those same lines, I also think DC should gain representation in congress in some manner, either by largely becoming part of VA, or by becoming a 51st state(DC has more people than Wyoming or Vermont, and about as much as Alaska).

spot8ptr 6y ago

I wish HKer in the U.S. and Britain can have their own system (One country Two system). Otherwise it is worse than China.

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tempestn 6y ago
Rather than just downvoting I'll ask: how do you see the US and UK being worse than China?

coldtea 6y ago

>I think that would give the HKers access to the Pacific and a place to rebuild. I'd love to have those brilliant entrepreneurs and engineers over here. Not many special "brilliant entrepreneurs". Just regular ole entrepreneurs taking advantage of the specific spot HK was in, and the specific relationship between Britain and China for global trade. Merely bring the same people elsewhere would accomplish no great miracle. It's not like taking SV-based VCs and programmers into e.g. Oklahome (where they'd just make a new hotspot, since their skills are carried with them). It's more like taking the people in the tourist industry of Miami and moving them to Maine. It just wont work as well, since it was all about location in the first place...

aswanson 6y ago
There's nothing particularly special about SV VCs /programmers. Just a crapload of capital allocated there. Programmers are abundant throughout the country.
- OrangeKnucles 6y ago
  lol
- coldtea 6y ago
  >There's nothing particularly special about SV VCs programmers. Just a crapload of capital allocated there A crapload of capital tends to statistically attract the best programmers. Some of the biggest problems to solve/employers being there, ditto. In other words, my comment wasn't about born and raised SV VC/programmers. It was about VC/programmers working in SV.
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fermienrico 6y ago
Not sure if I agree. Maimi tourism shifting to Maine is totally different beast since tourism by definition relies on local sights. SV-based entrepreneurs are already going to places like Austin and Portland. It takes time. It would quicker if we get 3 million people situated in an abstract region of US since the critical mass to get the ball rolling would already have been achieved. It would be a challenge, but not for the reasons you've dilineated.

DarthGhandi 6y ago

No one wants to live in planned cities. Virtually all of them are failures. What's to stop any of them simply getting on a bus to Seattle or San Diego? Are you going to put the army around this territory? It's quite amusing the hypothetical lengths people will go to "caring" but still straight up open about not letting foreigners into their actual country.

Ghjklov 6y ago

It would be hilarious to see the US using their resources to help some (often wealthy and highly educated) people across the fucking ocean before using them to help the poor in their own country.