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> You should never buy a first-gen Apple product FUD. First Intel Macbook Pro, first iPhone, first iPad, first Apple Watch... these were all excellent devices.

by jmull 6y ago

> You should never buy a first-gen Apple product FUD. First Intel Macbook Pro, first iPhone, first iPad, first Apple Watch... these were all excellent devices. Also, I believe you are misinformed about the types of processors available in the first Intel macs.

tschwimmer 6y ago
The first gen Apple Watch has not held up. My friend has one and it has nearly intolerable UI lag.
- alwillis 6y ago
  My first generation Apple Watch, affectionally known as a Series Zero, is still going strong. It's not that fast but I just peered it with my iPhone 7 running the public beta of iOS 14 with no problems.
Lammy 6y ago
> Also, I believe you are misinformed about the types of processors available in the first Intel macs. I owned one, so I believe you are :) https://lowendmac.com/2014/core-solo-mac-mini-a-compromised-mac/ https://lowendmac.com/2014/core-solo-mac-mini-a-compromised-...
- jmull 6y ago
  The first Intel Macs were the Macbook Pro and iMac, which had core duo. Looking on the internet, the first Intel mini came a month later, so I think it’s fair to call it one of the first Intel macs, but it had a core duo option as well (check lowendmac or mactracker), so I guess you chose the core solo, but can’t say you were “saddled” with it. Anyway, that core solo mini also was a great little computer. I believe that’s the one I bought refurb, added RAM, a core 2 duo, and upgraded the wifi to N, and used it for years as a media head and server.
rangibaby 6y ago
> FUD. First Intel Macbook Pro, first iPhone, first iPad, first Apple Watch... these were all excellent devices. The 2nd gen were all extreme improvements though > Also, I believe you are misinformed about the types of processors available in the first Intel macs. as far as I remember the initial Intel Macs were a Mac Mini (Core Solo) and MacBooks (Core Duo). 32bit EFI was a thing and made life difficult with a Mac Pro. At some point the MacOS dropped support for the 32bit EFI, and had to have OS upgrades installed with patched installers.
- lallysingh 6y ago
  The iPhone 3g was hot garbage.
  - christoph 6y ago
    The iPad 3 was pretty terrible very quickly as well - I think it was the slowest iPad they ever made. Mainly due to quickly cobbling a retina screen to hardware (GPU and RAM) that simply couldn’t drive that many pixels.
    - rangibaby 6y ago
      I never have or had a problem with the iPad 3’s performance. I did have a problem with how heavy it was compared to the previous generation
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    I really liked my iPhone 3g :/ I just wanted to be contrarian and get an Android phone instead, and I did for a while and the Android phones with keyboards were pretty great.
- jmull 6y ago
  > The 2nd gen were all extreme improvements though Welcome to the state-of-the- art in the mid 2000’s. That’s what Intel used to offer and why it was worth it for Apple to transition from PowerPC to Intel. But Intel hasn’t improved much in years. Yes, Apple will probably release significantly better processors in ARM macs in the upcoming years. But they likely would not be able to release Macs with significantly better Intel processors if they stick with Intel.
tengbretson 6y ago
The first iPhone launched for 599 and was quickly slashed to 399 and lived a year before the app store launched. If you were an early adopter, you were a sucker, period.
kalleboo 6y ago
The first iPad was a dead end, the performance was abysmal since it was basically a 3GS with a bigger screen, it didn't even have extra RAM to handle the larger graphical assets. Software stopped supporting it very quickly because it was impossible to get anything running under the RAM constraints. The iPad 2 which doubled the RAM had a much much longer lifespan
- fomine3 6y ago
  The first iPad has only 256MB of RAM that's half of iPhone 4 that has same SoC and smaller screen. Really awful decision.
dehrmann 6y ago
> first iPhone...excellent devices. The first gen iPhone was unusable for anything other than email. The pitch was that you get "the real web," and compared to WAP on feature phones, the was true, but honestly, the mobile web was years away from being ready enough to be useful. Internet functionality was basically unusable on 2.5g. Honestly, it wasn't even ready until 4g. I remember trying to use Google Maps on an iPhone a week after launch. It took minutes to load the map of where I was. This was in SF. The App Store hadn't launched yet.

by jmull 6y ago

tschwimmer 6y ago

The first gen Apple Watch has not held up. My friend has one and it has nearly intolerable UI lag.

alwillis 6y ago
My first generation Apple Watch, affectionally known as a Series Zero, is still going strong. It's not that fast but I just peered it with my iPhone 7 running the public beta of iOS 14 with no problems.

Lammy 6y ago

> Also, I believe you are misinformed about the types of processors available in the first Intel macs. I owned one, so I believe you are :) https://lowendmac.com/2014/core-solo-mac-mini-a-compromised-mac/ https://lowendmac.com/2014/core-solo-mac-mini-a-compromised-...

jmull 6y ago
The first Intel Macs were the Macbook Pro and iMac, which had core duo. Looking on the internet, the first Intel mini came a month later, so I think it’s fair to call it one of the first Intel macs, but it had a core duo option as well (check lowendmac or mactracker), so I guess you chose the core solo, but can’t say you were “saddled” with it. Anyway, that core solo mini also was a great little computer. I believe that’s the one I bought refurb, added RAM, a core 2 duo, and upgraded the wifi to N, and used it for years as a media head and server.

rangibaby 6y ago

> FUD. First Intel Macbook Pro, first iPhone, first iPad, first Apple Watch... these were all excellent devices. The 2nd gen were all extreme improvements though > Also, I believe you are misinformed about the types of processors available in the first Intel macs. as far as I remember the initial Intel Macs were a Mac Mini (Core Solo) and MacBooks (Core Duo). 32bit EFI was a thing and made life difficult with a Mac Pro. At some point the MacOS dropped support for the 32bit EFI, and had to have OS upgrades installed with patched installers.

lallysingh 6y ago
The iPhone 3g was hot garbage.
- christoph 6y ago
  The iPad 3 was pretty terrible very quickly as well - I think it was the slowest iPad they ever made. Mainly due to quickly cobbling a retina screen to hardware (GPU and RAM) that simply couldn’t drive that many pixels.
  - rangibaby 6y ago
    I never have or had a problem with the iPad 3’s performance. I did have a problem with how heavy it was compared to the previous generation
- t-writescode 6y ago
  I really liked my iPhone 3g :/ I just wanted to be contrarian and get an Android phone instead, and I did for a while and the Android phones with keyboards were pretty great.
jmull 6y ago
> The 2nd gen were all extreme improvements though Welcome to the state-of-the- art in the mid 2000’s. That’s what Intel used to offer and why it was worth it for Apple to transition from PowerPC to Intel. But Intel hasn’t improved much in years. Yes, Apple will probably release significantly better processors in ARM macs in the upcoming years. But they likely would not be able to release Macs with significantly better Intel processors if they stick with Intel.

tengbretson 6y ago

The first iPhone launched for 599 and was quickly slashed to 399 and lived a year before the app store launched. If you were an early adopter, you were a sucker, period.

kalleboo 6y ago

The first iPad was a dead end, the performance was abysmal since it was basically a 3GS with a bigger screen, it didn't even have extra RAM to handle the larger graphical assets. Software stopped supporting it very quickly because it was impossible to get anything running under the RAM constraints. The iPad 2 which doubled the RAM had a much much longer lifespan

fomine3 6y ago
The first iPad has only 256MB of RAM that's half of iPhone 4 that has same SoC and smaller screen. Really awful decision.

dehrmann 6y ago

> first iPhone...excellent devices. The first gen iPhone was unusable for anything other than email. The pitch was that you get "the real web," and compared to WAP on feature phones, the was true, but honestly, the mobile web was years away from being ready enough to be useful. Internet functionality was basically unusable on 2.5g. Honestly, it wasn't even ready until 4g. I remember trying to use Google Maps on an iPhone a week after launch. It took minutes to load the map of where I was. This was in SF. The App Store hadn't launched yet.