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Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Kids go to school, the coronavirus rapidly spreads and then the school has to shut down again. What exactly did openin

Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Kids go to school, the coronavirus rapidly spreads and then the school has to shut down again. What exactly did opening up the schools in the first place even do?

thu2111 6y ago
You know kids don't get infected at all, right? Or at least that's the latest "scientific consensus". There's no risk from schools re-opening, but children trapped at home unable to see their friends or learn things definitely has risks for them.
- jshaqaw 6y ago
  Plenty of adults work at schools. I understand the frustration. I cry for the lost year here in my kids’ lives. But I’m also not thrilled to sacrifice teachers and other educational workers on a bonfire. Will you personally volunteer to spend days in cramped classrooms with 25 kids?
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Where would this "bonfire" come from? Have other professions experienced with a "bonfire" when they went back to work? Will you personally volunteer to spend days in cramped classrooms with 25 kids? Volunteer, no, obviously not. Pay me more than what I get now, sure. I'm not afraid of children. Nor am I retired or in any risk group. I know the data about the risks perfectly well - I'm in far more danger from simply getting to and from the school in the first place. It's other adults that can infect me, not children: https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19 https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-a... Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Where did this 'kids don't get infected' lie come from? Kids absolutely can catch the coronavirus, it's just far less likely to cause adverse effects. They're still a vector of infection which means they're going to spread it to their family or teachers who can and will get sick and suffer adverse effects. Saying that there's no risk is wrong and harmful to spread.
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Lie? Given how much chaos and contradiction comes out of the public health establishment every day, do you really think people who disagree are just lying, or have they seen other reports than you? https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19 https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-a... Here's the public health arm of the Dutch government summarising the evidence: Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common. No lie - current best understanding.
    - xaedes 6y ago
      two statements: "You know kids don't get infected at all" "relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19," So, do get kids infected (at all) or not?
koheripbal 6y ago
IF opening schools meaningfully contributes to hospitals filling up with deaths and (potentially brain damaged patients), then of course. ...but the degree to which that is true is the exact data we're asking for here.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Okay, but again you keep dancing around my actual question. You're not talking to me at all, you're talking so far past me that either you're ignoring my arguments or not seeing them. If a teacher or a student catches the coronavirus, is the school supposed to stay open? If a teacher gets sick and has to stay home, who replaces the teacher? Who will risk themselves also getting sick to come in and substitute when there are confirmed coronavirus cases?

thu2111 6y ago

You know kids don't get infected at all, right? Or at least that's the latest "scientific consensus". There's no risk from schools re-opening, but children trapped at home unable to see their friends or learn things definitely has risks for them.

jshaqaw 6y ago
Plenty of adults work at schools. I understand the frustration. I cry for the lost year here in my kids’ lives. But I’m also not thrilled to sacrifice teachers and other educational workers on a bonfire. Will you personally volunteer to spend days in cramped classrooms with 25 kids?
- thu2111 6y ago
  Where would this "bonfire" come from? Have other professions experienced with a "bonfire" when they went back to work? Will you personally volunteer to spend days in cramped classrooms with 25 kids? Volunteer, no, obviously not. Pay me more than what I get now, sure. I'm not afraid of children. Nor am I retired or in any risk group. I know the data about the risks perfectly well - I'm in far more danger from simply getting to and from the school in the first place. It's other adults that can infect me, not children: https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19 https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-a... Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common.
fzeroracer 6y ago
Where did this 'kids don't get infected' lie come from? Kids absolutely can catch the coronavirus, it's just far less likely to cause adverse effects. They're still a vector of infection which means they're going to spread it to their family or teachers who can and will get sick and suffer adverse effects. Saying that there's no risk is wrong and harmful to spread.
- thu2111 6y ago
  Lie? Given how much chaos and contradiction comes out of the public health establishment every day, do you really think people who disagree are just lying, or have they seen other reports than you? https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19 https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-a... Here's the public health arm of the Dutch government summarising the evidence: Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common. No lie - current best understanding.
  - xaedes 6y ago
    two statements: "You know kids don't get infected at all" "relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19," So, do get kids infected (at all) or not?

koheripbal 6y ago

IF opening schools meaningfully contributes to hospitals filling up with deaths and (potentially brain damaged patients), then of course. ...but the degree to which that is true is the exact data we're asking for here.

fzeroracer 6y ago
Okay, but again you keep dancing around my actual question. You're not talking to me at all, you're talking so far past me that either you're ignoring my arguments or not seeing them. If a teacher or a student catches the coronavirus, is the school supposed to stay open? If a teacher gets sick and has to stay home, who replaces the teacher? Who will risk themselves also getting sick to come in and substitute when there are confirmed coronavirus cases?