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>I think you should use your logic to campaign for legislation or regulation, not try to force people by applying pain. There are already legal mandates around

by Klinky 6y ago

>I think you should use your logic to campaign for legislation or regulation, not try to force people by applying pain. There are already legal mandates around mask wearing and there are many who still refuse.

chrisseaton 6y ago
So call the police or begin a private prosecution if a law is being violated. If you are in imminent actual physical danger with no means to extract yourself from the situation, then use self defence. But if a law isn't being violated, and you're free to leave, then mind your own business. Feel free to lobby for new legislation or regulation. In whatever situation: don't try to force your will by applying mental health pain. That's truly a 'dark side' solution to any problem.
- Klinky 6y ago
  >So call the police or begin a private prosecution if a law is being violated. You could certainly call the police on someone violating the mask mandate, but wouldn't calling the police also result in "mental health pain" for the perpetrator? Calling the police immediately would be extreme, and more likely someone is going to ask staff to intervene and ask the perpetrator to put on a damn mask, but that too will cause shame for the perpetrator. All you're doing is is outsourcing who is causing the shame, but you're still the originating source of it.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    The police don't use 'shame' against people - they apply the procedure of the law.
    - throwanem 6y ago
      That's an evasion. The police use violence, threatened or actual. If I have to choose between that and being shamed, I'll choose being shamed every time.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        I think they just issue a fine for things like violating lockdown and mask laws.
        throwanem 6y ago
        Yes, and what do you imagine happens eventually if you don't pay it? Or happens right away if you argue about it, or if they decide to feel threatened by anything you say or do?
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        chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Yes, and what do you imagine happens eventually if you don't pay it? It's withheld from your salary by court order I believe? Not an expert. > Or happens right away if you argue about it, or if they decide to feel threatened by anything you say or do? Why would you threaten them? The police in my country don't start random fights like you're imagining. A normal interaction is just procedural.
    - Klinky 6y ago
      Police involvement is often a spectacle, and attracts a lot of negative attention. Many would consider having the police called on them embarrassing/shameful/stressful/mental health pain.

by Klinky 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago

So call the police or begin a private prosecution if a law is being violated. If you are in imminent actual physical danger with no means to extract yourself from the situation, then use self defence. But if a law isn't being violated, and you're free to leave, then mind your own business. Feel free to lobby for new legislation or regulation. In whatever situation: don't try to force your will by applying mental health pain. That's truly a 'dark side' solution to any problem.

Klinky 6y ago
>So call the police or begin a private prosecution if a law is being violated. You could certainly call the police on someone violating the mask mandate, but wouldn't calling the police also result in "mental health pain" for the perpetrator? Calling the police immediately would be extreme, and more likely someone is going to ask staff to intervene and ask the perpetrator to put on a damn mask, but that too will cause shame for the perpetrator. All you're doing is is outsourcing who is causing the shame, but you're still the originating source of it.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  The police don't use 'shame' against people - they apply the procedure of the law.
  - throwanem 6y ago
    That's an evasion. The police use violence, threatened or actual. If I have to choose between that and being shamed, I'll choose being shamed every time.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      I think they just issue a fine for things like violating lockdown and mask laws.
      - throwanem 6y ago
        Yes, and what do you imagine happens eventually if you don't pay it? Or happens right away if you argue about it, or if they decide to feel threatened by anything you say or do?
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        chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Yes, and what do you imagine happens eventually if you don't pay it? It's withheld from your salary by court order I believe? Not an expert. > Or happens right away if you argue about it, or if they decide to feel threatened by anything you say or do? Why would you threaten them? The police in my country don't start random fights like you're imagining. A normal interaction is just procedural.
  - Klinky 6y ago
    Police involvement is often a spectacle, and attracts a lot of negative attention. Many would consider having the police called on them embarrassing/shameful/stressful/mental health pain.