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I thankfully don't use it everyday, but Mac and literally everything on Mac (even the terminal started crashing on resize towards the end of the time I used it

by sershe 6y ago

I thankfully don't use it everyday, but Mac and literally everything on Mac (even the terminal started crashing on resize towards the end of the time I used it every day). Over time, I started keeping a note where I put every bug, missing feature, malicious feature, performance issue, driver issue I had with my 2 different MacBooks day to day, and it's loooong. I'll probably never organize it unless I'm forced to use Mac again.

jasonv 6y ago
Something else was probably going on with your Mac. The one example (terminal) doesn’t happen on any of my Macs. And I have a few.
- sershe 6y ago
  There was a specific thread on Mac whatever, or a bug filed I don't recall, with dozens or more of comments. Introduced in a specific version, and never fixed (well, as of 2-3 years ago), terminal would sometimes crash on reflow. Not sure why it would hit specific machines
DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
Do your feelings extend to 3rd party Mac apps? I'm not a big Mac fanboy, but I really like using iTerm2 for ssh'ing into servers.
- sershe 6y ago
  I am more familiar with iPhone-only apps as far as Apple specific ecosystem goes and the "simplicity" if usually off-putting, it's just polished lack of features beyond the basic scenario. I suspect Mac apps might be similar compared to Windows/Linux, but don't really remember. On Mac, I mostly used cross-platform (or multi-platform) apps, and they are about as good as on the other platforms * the amount of focus on a given platform (e.g. Outlook is behind the Windows version, Spotify is the same, some other apps like Eclipse seem to run better).
andrewstuart 6y ago
I've heard many people complain about OSX in similar ways but in 15 years of intensive usage I've experienced only a handful of annoyances. Compared to Windows it's an absolute dream. I left Windows because it was a mess and applications constantly crashed and also the OS crashed and the multitasking is thoroughly crap. I have a Windows machine and every now and then I think "maybe it's all better now", and I give it a try and instantly the same crashy problems and really bad multitasking.
- sershe 6y ago
  Heh, I have the reverse problem, on Windows 7 my uptime is measured in months and everything is great. On Mac everything, including drivers for the Mac's very own mouse and the built-in microphone, we atrocious. Heck, for my first old 4Gb RAM Mac I installed this piece of software from app store that would consume all the memory on the system over a short time to force Mac to actually manage memory and prevent other apps from stuttering and OOMing when the memory was supposedly low (it really wasn't, as this app's overload-free-memory routine showed). It even had a paid version that would do the memory-overload automatically when memory was low. That is the most Mac thing I've ever seen :)
vin047 6y ago
Macs are weird in that you have to surrender to “The Mac Way” before they make any sense. If you try to fight it, it somehow manages to mess with you. That being said, does sound like something else was going on with your Macs.
drusepth 6y ago
Haha, I have a similar note. I've worked at two jobs where I was forced to work on company MBPs and it was a daily nightmare. I scoped a few of the more generic problems with just trying to be productive up on Medium [1] to share with coworkers who swore by the OS (and were way more knowledgeable about it than me), but they never proposed any solutions to make things better. Just a lot of "you're using it wrong" and the occasional "buy this app to fix that". [1] https://medium.com/@drusepth/multitasking-on-a-mac-sucks-and-this-is-why-1eab6247a681 https://medium.com/@drusepth/multitasking-on-a-mac-sucks-and...

by sershe 6y ago

jasonv 6y ago

Something else was probably going on with your Mac. The one example (terminal) doesn’t happen on any of my Macs. And I have a few.

sershe 6y ago
There was a specific thread on Mac whatever, or a bug filed I don't recall, with dozens or more of comments. Introduced in a specific version, and never fixed (well, as of 2-3 years ago), terminal would sometimes crash on reflow. Not sure why it would hit specific machines

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago

Do your feelings extend to 3rd party Mac apps? I'm not a big Mac fanboy, but I really like using iTerm2 for ssh'ing into servers.

sershe 6y ago
I am more familiar with iPhone-only apps as far as Apple specific ecosystem goes and the "simplicity" if usually off-putting, it's just polished lack of features beyond the basic scenario. I suspect Mac apps might be similar compared to Windows/Linux, but don't really remember. On Mac, I mostly used cross-platform (or multi-platform) apps, and they are about as good as on the other platforms * the amount of focus on a given platform (e.g. Outlook is behind the Windows version, Spotify is the same, some other apps like Eclipse seem to run better).

andrewstuart 6y ago

I've heard many people complain about OSX in similar ways but in 15 years of intensive usage I've experienced only a handful of annoyances. Compared to Windows it's an absolute dream. I left Windows because it was a mess and applications constantly crashed and also the OS crashed and the multitasking is thoroughly crap. I have a Windows machine and every now and then I think "maybe it's all better now", and I give it a try and instantly the same crashy problems and really bad multitasking.

sershe 6y ago
Heh, I have the reverse problem, on Windows 7 my uptime is measured in months and everything is great. On Mac everything, including drivers for the Mac's very own mouse and the built-in microphone, we atrocious. Heck, for my first old 4Gb RAM Mac I installed this piece of software from app store that would consume all the memory on the system over a short time to force Mac to actually manage memory and prevent other apps from stuttering and OOMing when the memory was supposedly low (it really wasn't, as this app's overload-free-memory routine showed). It even had a paid version that would do the memory-overload automatically when memory was low. That is the most Mac thing I've ever seen :)

vin047 6y ago

Macs are weird in that you have to surrender to “The Mac Way” before they make any sense. If you try to fight it, it somehow manages to mess with you. That being said, does sound like something else was going on with your Macs.

drusepth 6y ago

Haha, I have a similar note. I've worked at two jobs where I was forced to work on company MBPs and it was a daily nightmare. I scoped a few of the more generic problems with just trying to be productive up on Medium [1] to share with coworkers who swore by the OS (and were way more knowledgeable about it than me), but they never proposed any solutions to make things better. Just a lot of "you're using it wrong" and the occasional "buy this app to fix that". [1] https://medium.com/@drusepth/multitasking-on-a-mac-sucks-and-this-is-why-1eab6247a681 https://medium.com/@drusepth/multitasking-on-a-mac-sucks-and...