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Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. r

by yyyk 6y ago

Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently). Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Of course, there's some flimsy excuses (the US once upon a time supported overthrowing someone the Islamists also helped overthrow, and there was a brutal 'security service' which the Islamists retained in full, adding a single letter to the name), but they're not very interesting. I could have run the same list of excuses for Saudi with different names and places, and it'd be the same apologia for a dictatorial theocracy which spreads fanaticism for ideological and domestic reasons.

jessaustin 6y ago
Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-obviously-false-flag "gas attacks"? The timing was just so convenient! [0] Tell that "ethnic cleansing" bullshit to the Yazidis and Kurds. Those few who weren't butchered by ISIS are glad to see the internationally-recognized government of Syria in control again. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Potayto, potahto. What did we call Colin Powell back when he was circling the globe lying about WMDs? (He was good at it, because he had practice from lying about My Lai.) What do we call Pompeo now that he's circling the globe lying with his every breath? Pompeo was so sad his pet project ISIS went belly up, he forgot what business he's in. I wonder how many meetings he has on tarmacs in the Middle East? ...not very interesting... This is projection. Regurgitating 4yo propaganda that even USA war media has by now retracted convinces no one. By any measure, the Sauds are worse than the elected Iranian government. The reason we still menace the Middle East is not because some person did so and so to some other person in some place no one can find on a map. The reason is, we don't have democracy in USA, so we citizens can't force our government to bring the troops home. [0] https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-media-dupes-connecting-the-dates-on-russia-bounties-bombshell/ https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-me...
- yyyk 6y ago
  The 'internationally-recognized government of Syria' has run an internationally recognized ethnic cleansing campaign against the country's Sunni population, the vast majority of it hasn't been a part of ISIS (Maybe you have a problem with the map, but the Yazidi genocide happened in Iraq). Speaking of ISIS, maybe if Assad didn't intentionally release jihadis from Sednaya, or didn't support their previous incarnation in Iraq, we wouldn't have these problems. That's why there are complete sanctions on Assad, which will not be removed until he falls. As for the gas massacres, the conspiracy theories just get madder and madder. Obviously, the rebels are supposed to have attacked themselves for the XX time after seeing all the previous gas attacks led to no reaction? While never ever using them against Assad troops? The Assad regime being the only one in theater with the equipment and capability of staging a gas attack? Some people are just shilling for mass-murder. The Iranian government isn't elected. Everything is controlled by the Supreme Leader and IRGC, and the 'elected' offices have no power. The 'elected' offices where the only people who are allowed to be elected are those that support the regime[0], and protesters are killed[1]. You're right about one thing - the Saudis are not much better. Then again, they didn't support a WMD attack and deny it later, like Iran apologists do. Nor do they officially have genocide aims against other countries. Maybe the apologists secret admire the Mullah's aims, and that's why they defend the regime. [0] https://apnews.com/44ad5910fa3e1a297d6c0b5ad6c3c59f https://apnews.com/44ad5910fa3e1a297d6c0b5ad6c3c59f [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialreport-idUSKBN1YR0QR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialrepo...
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Haha we have sanctions on Cuba for Pete's sake. Sanctions don't imply anything. They do kill thousands of people a month in Venezuela alone [0], with corresponding numbers in a dozen other nations so good job I guess. There was no "gas attack". Some murderous slaving ISIS criminals took a sledgehammer up on the roof, knocked out some holes, and shoved some empty canisters into them. Then they mixed some bleach with some muriatic acid and left the scene. Later, there was of course some chlorine residue. But simple physics proved that full canisters of poison gas hadn't been "dropped out of helicopters": the roof wouldn't have stopped so many of them. [1] Actual gas bombs of the sort that USA sold to Saddam for use against Iran are carefully constructed devices that can actually be dropped from aircraft and expected to distribute poison gas. Dropping bare storage cylinders only works in the movies. The real conspiracy theory is that the internationally-recognized government of Syria had anything to do with those attacks. They had neither means nor motive. The "moderate rebels" (really ISIS) that USA had been supporting had both. Of course you don't care about details. Even your pose of criticism of Saudi is cynical. You want to sell the Saudis bombs to kill Yemeni children right up until they don't want to buy them anymore, at which time you'll want to start bombing KSA. Mostly you just support status quo USA policy for the last 70 years. That is, we kill lots of brown and black people so that the public can be buffaloed into giving armaments manufacturers obscene amounts of money. The public would prefer to spend that money on literally anything else; you disagree. You'll probably make a show of declaring that you're actually more against war than I am, but your religious devotion to every lie that the war media has ever tossed off shows where your heart is. Pacifists oppose killing innocents, both through sanctions and through the wars for which sanctions are pretexts. The Middle East is broken for the same reason that Latin America is broken and Southeast Asia was broken for a long time: USA broke it. The best thing we can do for them is the best thing we could have done for them in the 1950s: stop interfering with their governments, stop providing armaments to various parties, and stop killing them. [0] https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-2019-04.pdf https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-... [1] https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/25/opcw-syria-gas-attack-staged-theodore-postol/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/25/opcw-syria-gas-attack-sta...

by yyyk 6y ago

jessaustin 6y ago

Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-obviously-false-flag "gas attacks"? The timing was just so convenient! [0] Tell that "ethnic cleansing" bullshit to the Yazidis and Kurds. Those few who weren't butchered by ISIS are glad to see the internationally-recognized government of Syria in control again. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Potayto, potahto. What did we call Colin Powell back when he was circling the globe lying about WMDs? (He was good at it, because he had practice from lying about My Lai.) What do we call Pompeo now that he's circling the globe lying with his every breath? Pompeo was so sad his pet project ISIS went belly up, he forgot what business he's in. I wonder how many meetings he has on tarmacs in the Middle East? ...not very interesting... This is projection. Regurgitating 4yo propaganda that even USA war media has by now retracted convinces no one. By any measure, the Sauds are worse than the elected Iranian government. The reason we still menace the Middle East is not because some person did so and so to some other person in some place no one can find on a map. The reason is, we don't have democracy in USA, so we citizens can't force our government to bring the troops home. [0] https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-media-dupes-connecting-the-dates-on-russia-bounties-bombshell/ https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-me...

yyyk 6y ago
The 'internationally-recognized government of Syria' has run an internationally recognized ethnic cleansing campaign against the country's Sunni population, the vast majority of it hasn't been a part of ISIS (Maybe you have a problem with the map, but the Yazidi genocide happened in Iraq). Speaking of ISIS, maybe if Assad didn't intentionally release jihadis from Sednaya, or didn't support their previous incarnation in Iraq, we wouldn't have these problems. That's why there are complete sanctions on Assad, which will not be removed until he falls. As for the gas massacres, the conspiracy theories just get madder and madder. Obviously, the rebels are supposed to have attacked themselves for the XX time after seeing all the previous gas attacks led to no reaction? While never ever using them against Assad troops? The Assad regime being the only one in theater with the equipment and capability of staging a gas attack? Some people are just shilling for mass-murder. The Iranian government isn't elected. Everything is controlled by the Supreme Leader and IRGC, and the 'elected' offices have no power. The 'elected' offices where the only people who are allowed to be elected are those that support the regime[0], and protesters are killed[1]. You're right about one thing - the Saudis are not much better. Then again, they didn't support a WMD attack and deny it later, like Iran apologists do. Nor do they officially have genocide aims against other countries. Maybe the apologists secret admire the Mullah's aims, and that's why they defend the regime. [0] https://apnews.com/44ad5910fa3e1a297d6c0b5ad6c3c59f https://apnews.com/44ad5910fa3e1a297d6c0b5ad6c3c59f [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialreport-idUSKBN1YR0QR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialrepo...
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Haha we have sanctions on Cuba for Pete's sake. Sanctions don't imply anything. They do kill thousands of people a month in Venezuela alone [0], with corresponding numbers in a dozen other nations so good job I guess. There was no "gas attack". Some murderous slaving ISIS criminals took a sledgehammer up on the roof, knocked out some holes, and shoved some empty canisters into them. Then they mixed some bleach with some muriatic acid and left the scene. Later, there was of course some chlorine residue. But simple physics proved that full canisters of poison gas hadn't been "dropped out of helicopters": the roof wouldn't have stopped so many of them. [1] Actual gas bombs of the sort that USA sold to Saddam for use against Iran are carefully constructed devices that can actually be dropped from aircraft and expected to distribute poison gas. Dropping bare storage cylinders only works in the movies. The real conspiracy theory is that the internationally-recognized government of Syria had anything to do with those attacks. They had neither means nor motive. The "moderate rebels" (really ISIS) that USA had been supporting had both. Of course you don't care about details. Even your pose of criticism of Saudi is cynical. You want to sell the Saudis bombs to kill Yemeni children right up until they don't want to buy them anymore, at which time you'll want to start bombing KSA. Mostly you just support status quo USA policy for the last 70 years. That is, we kill lots of brown and black people so that the public can be buffaloed into giving armaments manufacturers obscene amounts of money. The public would prefer to spend that money on literally anything else; you disagree. You'll probably make a show of declaring that you're actually more against war than I am, but your religious devotion to every lie that the war media has ever tossed off shows where your heart is. Pacifists oppose killing innocents, both through sanctions and through the wars for which sanctions are pretexts. The Middle East is broken for the same reason that Latin America is broken and Southeast Asia was broken for a long time: USA broke it. The best thing we can do for them is the best thing we could have done for them in the 1950s: stop interfering with their governments, stop providing armaments to various parties, and stop killing them. [0] https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-2019-04.pdf https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-... [1] https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/25/opcw-syria-gas-attack-staged-theodore-postol/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/25/opcw-syria-gas-attack-sta...