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I work there (in infra). I have yet to interact with a team that has dedicated QA. Checked the internal jobs board; no relevant term is listed among titles, are

I work there (in infra). I have yet to interact with a team that has dedicated QA. Checked the internal jobs board; no relevant term is listed among titles, areas of work, talent profiles, or skills, anywhere in the company including WhatsApp or Oculus. This is consistent with the "developers are fully responsible for their own code" ethos we're all taught in bootcamp - same reason we all get to do oncall. I'm personally familiar with many real adults up to senior director level, so "if you have a team run by adults" is definitely not true. Given your characterization of MZ (whether or not it's accurate), I'd say you clearly don't have any actual knowledge of the situation and shouldn't be presenting your guesses as fact.

KaiserPro 6y ago
>Checked the internal jobs board; no relevant term is listed among titles Engineer in test. QA engineering lead. (https://www.facebook.com/careers/jobs/?q=QA https://www.facebook.com/careers/jobs/?q=QA) You must have leet scuba skills with searching skills like that. AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace all have dedicated QA engineering teams. I'm sure there are more. > Given your characterization of MZ if it was only zuck. Zuck has two faults: he's not able to articulate any single thought inside of 15 minutes and he consistently throws out integrity products that would have stopped bad PR. Its not just me, you should look at the micropulse. confidence in leadership has taken a good battering recently. The whole juneteenth buisness, we had an entire _day_ of people telling us the problem. Senior management then sat next to them and said in reverent tones: "thank you so much [[dabs a tear]] for telling us your lived experience" posts a selfie and then does fuck all else. Or, having revved up the company to generate hundreds of ideas to tackle abuse on FB platform, do shit all with them, not even acknowledge they exist.
- notacoward 6y ago
  > You must have leet scuba skills with searching skills like that. Nothing to do with scuba, and if you did any operational work you'd know that it's in the category of tools that are often flaky due to lack of QA. It's also worth noting that the link you provide only shows 41 listings, and most of those merely mention "familiarity with QA" in some boilerplate for what's obviously a developer position. Leet reading skills you have there. Percentage-wise, there are fewer true QA positions there than we have E-10s. For a company that hires 10K a year, that's indistinguishable from zero. > AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace In other words some small percentage of the company, none of it near me. All of the systems that the profitable parts of Facebook rely on - to provision systems, monitor systems, store data, move data around, analyze data, etc. - rely entirely on developer testing. So here's an amended statement to make you happy. "99.9% of Facebook has no QA, and the rest has really bad QA."
  - KaiserPro 6y ago
    Thats not what you said originally was it? just over 10% of job openings have something to do with testing or QA. Of course QA is similar to software engineering, the whole point is to automate testing. > [AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace..][..is] some small percentage of the company yeah, go look at the headcount. > none of it near me. Now we are talking. > rely entirely on developer testing again, that wasn't the distinction I was making. It doesn't matter who's testing, so long as it gets done properly. Considering PE is a blended role. Its not a hard push to think that testing might be part of the role of a modern developer. Mind you, so is writing documentation, but thats not a priority either.
- dan15 6y ago
  Many of the ads teams have dedicated QA, too.

KaiserPro 6y ago

>Checked the internal jobs board; no relevant term is listed among titles Engineer in test. QA engineering lead. (https://www.facebook.com/careers/jobs/?q=QA https://www.facebook.com/careers/jobs/?q=QA) You must have leet scuba skills with searching skills like that. AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace all have dedicated QA engineering teams. I'm sure there are more. > Given your characterization of MZ if it was only zuck. Zuck has two faults: he's not able to articulate any single thought inside of 15 minutes and he consistently throws out integrity products that would have stopped bad PR. Its not just me, you should look at the micropulse. confidence in leadership has taken a good battering recently. The whole juneteenth buisness, we had an entire _day_ of people telling us the problem. Senior management then sat next to them and said in reverent tones: "thank you so much [[dabs a tear]] for telling us your lived experience" posts a selfie and then does fuck all else. Or, having revved up the company to generate hundreds of ideas to tackle abuse on FB platform, do shit all with them, not even acknowledge they exist.

notacoward 6y ago
> You must have leet scuba skills with searching skills like that. Nothing to do with scuba, and if you did any operational work you'd know that it's in the category of tools that are often flaky due to lack of QA. It's also worth noting that the link you provide only shows 41 listings, and most of those merely mention "familiarity with QA" in some boilerplate for what's obviously a developer position. Leet reading skills you have there. Percentage-wise, there are fewer true QA positions there than we have E-10s. For a company that hires 10K a year, that's indistinguishable from zero. > AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace In other words some small percentage of the company, none of it near me. All of the systems that the profitable parts of Facebook rely on - to provision systems, monitor systems, store data, move data around, analyze data, etc. - rely entirely on developer testing. So here's an amended statement to make you happy. "99.9% of Facebook has no QA, and the rest has really bad QA."
- KaiserPro 6y ago
  Thats not what you said originally was it? just over 10% of job openings have something to do with testing or QA. Of course QA is similar to software engineering, the whole point is to automate testing. > [AR/VR, Oculus, portal and workplace..][..is] some small percentage of the company yeah, go look at the headcount. > none of it near me. Now we are talking. > rely entirely on developer testing again, that wasn't the distinction I was making. It doesn't matter who's testing, so long as it gets done properly. Considering PE is a blended role. Its not a hard push to think that testing might be part of the role of a modern developer. Mind you, so is writing documentation, but thats not a priority either.
dan15 6y ago
Many of the ads teams have dedicated QA, too.