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I'm personally against those changes, I can explain my thoughts if you want. I weight the upsides & downsides of the changes. There is basically zero upsides I

I'm personally against those changes, I can explain my thoughts if you want. I weight the upsides & downsides of the changes. There is basically zero upsides I can see to this changes whereas it just makes terminology more difficult to learn for beginners. Coding is already a very difficult field, there's no need to make it harder.

kqr 6y ago
Clearly there are upsides: some people are more comfortable with the suggested terminology. Why is "blocklist" or "denylist" harder to learn for beginners than "blacklist"? If anything, the approved terminology seems easier to learn, if you ask me. It sounds like your argument is not so much about beginners learning for the first time, but experienced people needing to learn a different word for a concept they already know. I'm fairly sure I can learn what "blocklist" means with minimal effort, but perhaps that's a difficult word for some people.
- helixhelix 6y ago
  How many people feel uncomfortable with this terminology and who are they? What about the people who feel uncomfortable with the new terminology instead (the majority)?
  - mercer 6y ago
    The majority don't really care and have other things to worry about. Then there's a few who care and the only explanation I have for that is that they're either racists or over-sensitively engaged with some political narrative. I mean, really, I've asked a number of my friends who aren't too politically inclined and their reaction is a shrug. They don't really get it but they don't care to figure out why and they don't care either way because they've got stuff to do.
    - helixhelix 6y ago
      Shows how little experience you have with asking people why they disagree with these changes, if you shrug off rationalism as racism.
- realusername 6y ago
  > Clearly there are upsides: some people are more comfortable with the suggested terminology. Is there some study about that? The concept of people being offended by these terms itself sounds ridiculous and I have a very hard time to believe it, having at least a beginning of a proof would maybe help here. > It sounds like your argument is not so much about beginners learning for the first time, but experienced people needing to learn a different word for a concept they already know. I'm fairly sure I can learn what "blocklist" means with minimal effort, but perhaps that's a difficult word for some people. It just creates a balkanization in IT, both terms will be used simultaneously.

kqr 6y ago

Clearly there are upsides: some people are more comfortable with the suggested terminology. Why is "blocklist" or "denylist" harder to learn for beginners than "blacklist"? If anything, the approved terminology seems easier to learn, if you ask me. It sounds like your argument is not so much about beginners learning for the first time, but experienced people needing to learn a different word for a concept they already know. I'm fairly sure I can learn what "blocklist" means with minimal effort, but perhaps that's a difficult word for some people.

helixhelix 6y ago
How many people feel uncomfortable with this terminology and who are they? What about the people who feel uncomfortable with the new terminology instead (the majority)?
- mercer 6y ago
  The majority don't really care and have other things to worry about. Then there's a few who care and the only explanation I have for that is that they're either racists or over-sensitively engaged with some political narrative. I mean, really, I've asked a number of my friends who aren't too politically inclined and their reaction is a shrug. They don't really get it but they don't care to figure out why and they don't care either way because they've got stuff to do.
  - helixhelix 6y ago
    Shows how little experience you have with asking people why they disagree with these changes, if you shrug off rationalism as racism.
realusername 6y ago
> Clearly there are upsides: some people are more comfortable with the suggested terminology. Is there some study about that? The concept of people being offended by these terms itself sounds ridiculous and I have a very hard time to believe it, having at least a beginning of a proof would maybe help here. > It sounds like your argument is not so much about beginners learning for the first time, but experienced people needing to learn a different word for a concept they already know. I'm fairly sure I can learn what "blocklist" means with minimal effort, but perhaps that's a difficult word for some people. It just creates a balkanization in IT, both terms will be used simultaneously.