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Can you share some examples of what you believe to be toxic or exclusive behaviour? Personally (as a young bloke) I find IT to be extremely inclusive for those

by _hl_ 6y ago

Can you share some examples of what you believe to be toxic or exclusive behaviour? Personally (as a young bloke) I find IT to be extremely inclusive for those who want to learn, there's so much freely available information and material on the internet it's literally unbelievable. That's how a lot of us young blokes got into this space, and I don't see why minorities would be less likely to go down that path as well (although empirically minorities and women obviously are less likely to do so because they are massively underrepresented).

KaiserPro 6y ago
My women friends constantly get creepy messages in a professional setting. I was staggered when I was shown the abuse they would get after a tech talk. Half of it was "u r cute :D" the rest was "you don't know what you are talking about because obscure hair splitting point x" For example I gave a talk where I was critical about the networking schemes of kubernetes. Had I been a woman I would have had a barrage of hostile questions. I know because my more experienced female co-worker raised the same points in her talk. Another example is that person who did the visualisation for the black hole. She was abused simply for being a young woman. Those little shits who combed through the git repor to work out exactly which line she had touched. _Its just not healthy_ It wasn't until I worked at a place where the gender ratios were almost 50:50 that I saw the problems up close. _Every_ woman has a story where they were creeped on in the most toecurling way. These were people who'd only been in the industry for less than two years. I have a daughter, and I want her to follow in my foot steps, but I don't want her to deal with the horrid shit the small but very vocal minority shart out.
- enriquto 6y ago
  > "you don't know what you are talking about because obscure hair splitting point x" I'm a man and have been told that countless times. Are you sure it is a sex-specific issue? Some people just need to gatekeep their precious fields and feel attacked when a newcomer works on them. I would not go as far as calling that "abuse", I even find it mildly amusing when I'm on the receiving end of ridiculous critique. > I have a daughter, and I want her to follow in my foot steps, but I don't want her to deal with the horrid shit the small but very vocal minority shart out. I also have a daughter and a son, and I'm trying to teach both of them that the world is a horrible, hostile place, and that they are out to have an epic fight for survival. Petty creepers will be the least of their problems. There's also a few beautiful things in the world, and I'm also teaching them to appreciate them when these are found, but never to expect or somehow think that they are entitled to them.

by _hl_ 6y ago

KaiserPro 6y ago

My women friends constantly get creepy messages in a professional setting. I was staggered when I was shown the abuse they would get after a tech talk. Half of it was "u r cute :D" the rest was "you don't know what you are talking about because obscure hair splitting point x" For example I gave a talk where I was critical about the networking schemes of kubernetes. Had I been a woman I would have had a barrage of hostile questions. I know because my more experienced female co-worker raised the same points in her talk. Another example is that person who did the visualisation for the black hole. She was abused simply for being a young woman. Those little shits who combed through the git repor to work out exactly which line she had touched. _Its just not healthy_ It wasn't until I worked at a place where the gender ratios were almost 50:50 that I saw the problems up close. _Every_ woman has a story where they were creeped on in the most toecurling way. These were people who'd only been in the industry for less than two years. I have a daughter, and I want her to follow in my foot steps, but I don't want her to deal with the horrid shit the small but very vocal minority shart out.

enriquto 6y ago
> "you don't know what you are talking about because obscure hair splitting point x" I'm a man and have been told that countless times. Are you sure it is a sex-specific issue? Some people just need to gatekeep their precious fields and feel attacked when a newcomer works on them. I would not go as far as calling that "abuse", I even find it mildly amusing when I'm on the receiving end of ridiculous critique. > I have a daughter, and I want her to follow in my foot steps, but I don't want her to deal with the horrid shit the small but very vocal minority shart out. I also have a daughter and a son, and I'm trying to teach both of them that the world is a horrible, hostile place, and that they are out to have an epic fight for survival. Petty creepers will be the least of their problems. There's also a few beautiful things in the world, and I'm also teaching them to appreciate them when these are found, but never to expect or somehow think that they are entitled to them.