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> The CAA makes it easier for non-Muslims to claim citizenship while Muslims slip through the cracks; that is the point of contention. No it doesn't. Here's th

> The CAA makes it easier for non-Muslims to claim citizenship while Muslims slip through the cracks; that is the point of contention. No it doesn't. Here's the relevant part of CAA(http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf) that mentions non-Muslims > Provided that any person belonging to Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or Christian community from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Pakistan, who entered into India on or before the 31st day of December, 2014 If you are a non-Muslim who wants to get Indian citizenship under CAA, you must prove (1) you are a citizen of one of these neighboring countries and (2) you entered India before 2014. It is just not enough to not have papers to "slip through the cracks".

thewhitetulip 6y ago
Dude, you literally are spreading false information and you're literally quoting one thing on one line and contradicting it on the second line. CAA makes it easier for non Muslims. you say 'no it doesn't' and then you literaly cite this: > Provided that any person belonging to Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or Christian community from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Pakistan, who entered into India on or before the 31st day of December, 2014 Yeah, it specifically mentions Hindu, SIkh Buddhist Jain Parsi Christian. It leaves out MUSLIMS. Let's go over. the law specifically excludes Muslims. What does it mean? it fast tracks citizenship of ALL except MUSLIMS. meaning? it excludes Muslims now comes the NRC, in this exercise, in Assam, they asked everyone to prove their citizenship by showing their grandfather's documents or ancesteral land documents. grandmother or parents document is not valid because what if your grandparents are illegal immigrants. your documents like voter ID was NOT A VALID DOCUMENT FOR CITIZENSHIP because you have to prove that your GRANDFATHER WAS NOT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Assam NRC took thousands of crores of money to undertake. Just imagine what'll happen when everyone in India is asked to prove their grandfather's citizenship.
- nsenifty 6y ago
  Nationwide NRC is different from NRC for Assam. Nationwide NRC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens) is mandated by 2003 Amendment of Citizenship act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_(Amendment)_Act,_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_(Amendment)_Act,_2...). Look at the definition of illegal migrants there. It doesn't mention anything about your grandfather's papers. Assam NRC is an entirely different beast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens_for_Assam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens_...). This was conducted as part of 2013 Supreme Court order. The entire process and the rules was prescribed and monitored by the Supreme court of India. The definition of illegal migrant is a far more stringent here since it hinges on 1971 Bangladeshi refugee crisis and subsequent bloody protests by the Assamese people.
  - rbar 6y ago
    The protest in Assam was/is not to include muslims. But, to exclude all illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. It seems, from Assam, CAA was brought to give citizenship to the hindu Bangladeshis that were left out of the NRC conducted in Assam.
  - thewhitetulip 6y ago
    > Nationwide NRC is different from NRC for Assam. Wrong again. You aren't even trying that hard dude. This is not reddit. BJP govt has said in SC officially that they'll like to spread NRC to the entire country. Even though there is no real proof that illegal immigrants are flocking to India. Even bangladesh is doing well in GDP terms than us. They did their little trial in Assam and now they want to burn down the entire country because they don't have a leg to stand on, now that Ram Mandir got so little response. > It doesn't mention anything about your grandfather's papers you don't seem to know anything do you? At least do a google search before commenting and making an ass of yourself. link: http://www.nrcassam.nic.in/admin-documents.html http://www.nrcassam.nic.in/admin-documents.html The first requirement is collection of ANY ONE of the following documents of List A issued before midnight of 24th March, 1971 where name of self or ancestor* appears (to prove residence in Assam up to midnight of 24th March, 1971). SO before 1971. I sure as hell wasn't born before 1971. My documents which I got in the 2000s don't mean SHIT to the government as I didn't get them before 1971. (1) 1951 NRC OR (2) Electoral Roll(s) up to 24th March 1971 (midnight) OR (3) Land & Tenancy Records OR (4) Citizenship Certificate OR (5) Permanent Residential Certificate OR (6) Refugee Registration Certificate OR (7) Passport OR (8) LIC OR (9) Any Govt. issued License/Certificate OR (10) Govt. Service/ Employment Certificate OR (11) Bank/Post Office Accounts OR (12) Birth Certificate OR (13) Board/University Educational Certificate OR (14) Court Records/Processes. for all those born after 24th march midnight 1971 they're all illegal immigrants unless they have their parent's birth certificates or 1971's govt documents.
    - nsenifty 6y ago
      > This is not reddit. > you don't seem to know anything do you? At least do a google search before commenting and making an ass of yourself. You're the one acting like Reddit. You seem to have been personally affected by this, so I'll stop feeding this non-discussion further. The second part of your comment, you are talking about Assam NRC which again I said is different from nationwide NRC. A Nationwide NRC based on the 2003 amendment neither has a 1971 reference not talks about grandparents. Read my comment again.
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  > It leaves out MUSLIMS. All those three countries in the context have Islam as their state religion. I would always welcome Muslim refugees in India but what was the point of partition if Muslims are suffering religious oppression in countries that were created as safe heavens for Muslims? Should we undo it? And even recent searches show that minorities (the religions covered under the CAA) are not exactly doing better in those countries. https://www.wionews.com/afghanistan/sikh-abducted-in-afghanistan-afghan-american-sikhs-seek-indias-support-307775 https://www.wionews.com/afghanistan/sikh-abducted-in-afghani... https://theprint.in/opinion/letter-from-pakistan/pakistanis-are-saying-mandir-nahi-banaenge-fatwas-follow-hindu-temple-construction/457212/ https://theprint.in/opinion/letter-from-pakistan/pakistanis-...
  - P6Rs4r 6y ago
    This is post-facto legitimization of the logic of partition. Why shouldn't we undo partition (if possible)?
    - sbmthakur 6y ago
      Partition doesn't need legitimization. It has been legitimate since the day both nations recognized each other.

thewhitetulip 6y ago

Dude, you literally are spreading false information and you're literally quoting one thing on one line and contradicting it on the second line. CAA makes it easier for non Muslims. you say 'no it doesn't' and then you literaly cite this: > Provided that any person belonging to Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi or Christian community from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Pakistan, who entered into India on or before the 31st day of December, 2014 Yeah, it specifically mentions Hindu, SIkh Buddhist Jain Parsi Christian. It leaves out MUSLIMS. Let's go over. the law specifically excludes Muslims. What does it mean? it fast tracks citizenship of ALL except MUSLIMS. meaning? it excludes Muslims now comes the NRC, in this exercise, in Assam, they asked everyone to prove their citizenship by showing their grandfather's documents or ancesteral land documents. grandmother or parents document is not valid because what if your grandparents are illegal immigrants. your documents like voter ID was NOT A VALID DOCUMENT FOR CITIZENSHIP because you have to prove that your GRANDFATHER WAS NOT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Assam NRC took thousands of crores of money to undertake. Just imagine what'll happen when everyone in India is asked to prove their grandfather's citizenship.

nsenifty 6y ago
Nationwide NRC is different from NRC for Assam. Nationwide NRC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens) is mandated by 2003 Amendment of Citizenship act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_(Amendment)_Act,_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_(Amendment)_Act,_2...). Look at the definition of illegal migrants there. It doesn't mention anything about your grandfather's papers. Assam NRC is an entirely different beast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens_for_Assam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens_...). This was conducted as part of 2013 Supreme Court order. The entire process and the rules was prescribed and monitored by the Supreme court of India. The definition of illegal migrant is a far more stringent here since it hinges on 1971 Bangladeshi refugee crisis and subsequent bloody protests by the Assamese people.
- rbar 6y ago
  The protest in Assam was/is not to include muslims. But, to exclude all illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. It seems, from Assam, CAA was brought to give citizenship to the hindu Bangladeshis that were left out of the NRC conducted in Assam.
- thewhitetulip 6y ago
  > Nationwide NRC is different from NRC for Assam. Wrong again. You aren't even trying that hard dude. This is not reddit. BJP govt has said in SC officially that they'll like to spread NRC to the entire country. Even though there is no real proof that illegal immigrants are flocking to India. Even bangladesh is doing well in GDP terms than us. They did their little trial in Assam and now they want to burn down the entire country because they don't have a leg to stand on, now that Ram Mandir got so little response. > It doesn't mention anything about your grandfather's papers you don't seem to know anything do you? At least do a google search before commenting and making an ass of yourself. link: http://www.nrcassam.nic.in/admin-documents.html http://www.nrcassam.nic.in/admin-documents.html The first requirement is collection of ANY ONE of the following documents of List A issued before midnight of 24th March, 1971 where name of self or ancestor* appears (to prove residence in Assam up to midnight of 24th March, 1971). SO before 1971. I sure as hell wasn't born before 1971. My documents which I got in the 2000s don't mean SHIT to the government as I didn't get them before 1971. (1) 1951 NRC OR (2) Electoral Roll(s) up to 24th March 1971 (midnight) OR (3) Land & Tenancy Records OR (4) Citizenship Certificate OR (5) Permanent Residential Certificate OR (6) Refugee Registration Certificate OR (7) Passport OR (8) LIC OR (9) Any Govt. issued License/Certificate OR (10) Govt. Service/ Employment Certificate OR (11) Bank/Post Office Accounts OR (12) Birth Certificate OR (13) Board/University Educational Certificate OR (14) Court Records/Processes. for all those born after 24th march midnight 1971 they're all illegal immigrants unless they have their parent's birth certificates or 1971's govt documents.
  - nsenifty 6y ago
    > This is not reddit. > you don't seem to know anything do you? At least do a google search before commenting and making an ass of yourself. You're the one acting like Reddit. You seem to have been personally affected by this, so I'll stop feeding this non-discussion further. The second part of your comment, you are talking about Assam NRC which again I said is different from nationwide NRC. A Nationwide NRC based on the 2003 amendment neither has a 1971 reference not talks about grandparents. Read my comment again.
sbmthakur 6y ago
> It leaves out MUSLIMS. All those three countries in the context have Islam as their state religion. I would always welcome Muslim refugees in India but what was the point of partition if Muslims are suffering religious oppression in countries that were created as safe heavens for Muslims? Should we undo it? And even recent searches show that minorities (the religions covered under the CAA) are not exactly doing better in those countries. https://www.wionews.com/afghanistan/sikh-abducted-in-afghanistan-afghan-american-sikhs-seek-indias-support-307775 https://www.wionews.com/afghanistan/sikh-abducted-in-afghani... https://theprint.in/opinion/letter-from-pakistan/pakistanis-are-saying-mandir-nahi-banaenge-fatwas-follow-hindu-temple-construction/457212/ https://theprint.in/opinion/letter-from-pakistan/pakistanis-...
- P6Rs4r 6y ago
  This is post-facto legitimization of the logic of partition. Why shouldn't we undo partition (if possible)?
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    Partition doesn't need legitimization. It has been legitimate since the day both nations recognized each other.