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1. Whoever issued you the key pair can know which vote is yours. 2. Someone can coerce you to vote a specific way by forcing you to provide them with your priv

1. Whoever issued you the key pair can know which vote is yours. 2. Someone can coerce you to vote a specific way by forcing you to provide them with your private key.

alex_young 6y ago
1. Can’t the state already know who voted for what right now? That seems like a nonissue. 2. Someone can also force you to give them your mail in ballot. How is this different?
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
  > Can’t the state already know who voted for what right now? That seems like a nonissue. No. That is one of the most fundamental features of our system. In the secrecy of the voting booth, you can make your voice heard with no consequences to you.
  - techntoke 6y ago
    And they can flip the vote as soon as you leave the polling booth, or not even record it, and you'll never know. Just "trust the system"
    - RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
      You can actually put the ballot in the box. You or someone you trust can stay as an observer until the voting is done. You or someone you trust can watch as the ballots are removed from the voting box and counted. I think it has been recommended before, if you want to see this, sign up to be a poll observer. You will get to see the whole process.
      - techntoke 6y ago
        https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud Thousands of issues of voter fraud, and these are only the instances where they got caught. Polling officials are usually the ones that are responsible for mass voter manipulation, just look at what happened in Iowa and Georgia. Poll watchers are appointed by political parties. It is not something anyone can sign up for and get to do. Monitors also do not directly prevent electoral fraud.
        anoncake 6y ago
        > It is not something anyone can sign up for and get to do. Looks like you've found the problem. Of course you don't get the benefits of a public election if the election isn't public.
        techntoke 6y ago
        Yet I'm being downvoted for pointing it out
        anoncake 6y ago
        The joy of discussing local to statewide policies on an international forum.
    - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
      No they can not. I put my ballot in a locked box filled with other ballots. It's not like I hand my ballot to a person and ask them to please record my vote.
      - techntoke 6y ago
        A locked box that is counted by who exactly and then those figures are sent were and verified by who?
        ByteJockey 6y ago
        Local community members with representatives from all major parties present usually.
        deleted 6y ago
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        CathedralBorrow 6y ago
        The answers to all these questions are known and public when I vote. I know who counts them, where the figures are sent and who verifies them.
- Mindless2112 6y ago
  1. The way in-person voting works where I live, no. Mail-in ballots naturally require trust that the inner envelope will not be correlated with the outer envelope. 2. It's not, aside from that it is more easily automated. "Helping" certain voters fill out their mail-in ballots is already an easy way to manipulate an election.

1. Whoever issued you the key pair can know which vote is yours. 2. Someone can coerce you to vote a specific way by forcing you to provide them with your private key.

alex_young 6y ago

1. Can’t the state already know who voted for what right now? That seems like a nonissue. 2. Someone can also force you to give them your mail in ballot. How is this different?

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> Can’t the state already know who voted for what right now? That seems like a nonissue. No. That is one of the most fundamental features of our system. In the secrecy of the voting booth, you can make your voice heard with no consequences to you.
- techntoke 6y ago
  And they can flip the vote as soon as you leave the polling booth, or not even record it, and you'll never know. Just "trust the system"
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
    You can actually put the ballot in the box. You or someone you trust can stay as an observer until the voting is done. You or someone you trust can watch as the ballots are removed from the voting box and counted. I think it has been recommended before, if you want to see this, sign up to be a poll observer. You will get to see the whole process.
    - techntoke 6y ago
      https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud Thousands of issues of voter fraud, and these are only the instances where they got caught. Polling officials are usually the ones that are responsible for mass voter manipulation, just look at what happened in Iowa and Georgia. Poll watchers are appointed by political parties. It is not something anyone can sign up for and get to do. Monitors also do not directly prevent electoral fraud.
      - anoncake 6y ago
        > It is not something anyone can sign up for and get to do. Looks like you've found the problem. Of course you don't get the benefits of a public election if the election isn't public.
        techntoke 6y ago
        Yet I'm being downvoted for pointing it out
        anoncake 6y ago
        The joy of discussing local to statewide policies on an international forum.
  - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
    No they can not. I put my ballot in a locked box filled with other ballots. It's not like I hand my ballot to a person and ask them to please record my vote.
    - techntoke 6y ago
      A locked box that is counted by who exactly and then those figures are sent were and verified by who?
      - ByteJockey 6y ago
        Local community members with representatives from all major parties present usually.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
        The answers to all these questions are known and public when I vote. I know who counts them, where the figures are sent and who verifies them.
Mindless2112 6y ago
1. The way in-person voting works where I live, no. Mail-in ballots naturally require trust that the inner envelope will not be correlated with the outer envelope. 2. It's not, aside from that it is more easily automated. "Helping" certain voters fill out their mail-in ballots is already an easy way to manipulate an election.