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Chuckled when I read they had a difficult time trying to talk with car companies. In Detroit 2020 isn't different than 1950 in one aspect: not big believers if

by rmason 6y ago

Chuckled when I read they had a difficult time trying to talk with car companies. In Detroit 2020 isn't different than 1950 in one aspect: not big believers if not-invented-here. However if they can steal the idea like intermittent windshield wipers they'll adapt the idea, but not quickly.

gamblor956 6y ago
"Not invented here" isn't a big issue with automakers, unless you're talking about Tesla. Most automakers license core technology (i.e., engine, chassis designs, etc.) from other companies. Many of them license technology from their competitors or even co-develop their tech. The primary driver is cost. They couldn't care less who developed the tech if it saves them enough money (or brings in more money, if it's a saleable feature). Tesla is the only company that insists on reinventing everything from scratch, even at the cost of grossly overpaying.
- cameronbrown 6y ago
  That's cause Telsa has the culture of Elon, similar to SpaceX. All their success derives from rethinking traditional automakers.
  - evgen 6y ago
    You are only supposed to drink the kool-aid, not marinate in it.
    - cameronbrown 6y ago
      You could also argue that they're getting better at building things from scratch by practicing with the mundane stuff. It's not a complete waste.
ummonk 6y ago
I doubt that's the issue here. The problem is that there are a lot of quacks in the space who don't know what they're doing, as well actual competent engineers where the design they're trying to perfect is a dead end. Extreme skepticism is generally wise - this engine just turned out to be the rare exception.
hn_check 6y ago
A more likely scenario is that it doesn't live up to the hype. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these "this changes everything" articles yearly, and this one seems no more believable than any other. The addition of Nokia's name makes it even more bizarre -- it's added to generate credibility, yet...Nokia? Remote power generation? As others have amply mentioned, being 2-stroke immediately disqualifies it from just about everything in many first world nations. In many areas you can't even power a lawnmower or chainsaws with such an engine. In no universe would it come anywhere where a car where emissions targets are very close to 0.

by rmason 6y ago

gamblor956 6y ago

"Not invented here" isn't a big issue with automakers, unless you're talking about Tesla. Most automakers license core technology (i.e., engine, chassis designs, etc.) from other companies. Many of them license technology from their competitors or even co-develop their tech. The primary driver is cost. They couldn't care less who developed the tech if it saves them enough money (or brings in more money, if it's a saleable feature). Tesla is the only company that insists on reinventing everything from scratch, even at the cost of grossly overpaying.

cameronbrown 6y ago
That's cause Telsa has the culture of Elon, similar to SpaceX. All their success derives from rethinking traditional automakers.
- evgen 6y ago
  You are only supposed to drink the kool-aid, not marinate in it.
  - cameronbrown 6y ago
    You could also argue that they're getting better at building things from scratch by practicing with the mundane stuff. It's not a complete waste.

ummonk 6y ago

I doubt that's the issue here. The problem is that there are a lot of quacks in the space who don't know what they're doing, as well actual competent engineers where the design they're trying to perfect is a dead end. Extreme skepticism is generally wise - this engine just turned out to be the rare exception.

hn_check 6y ago

A more likely scenario is that it doesn't live up to the hype. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these "this changes everything" articles yearly, and this one seems no more believable than any other. The addition of Nokia's name makes it even more bizarre -- it's added to generate credibility, yet...Nokia? Remote power generation? As others have amply mentioned, being 2-stroke immediately disqualifies it from just about everything in many first world nations. In many areas you can't even power a lawnmower or chainsaws with such an engine. In no universe would it come anywhere where a car where emissions targets are very close to 0.