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No one gets that day off, and voting closes before the line outside is gone. It is disturbing how much voter disenfranchisement is allowed in this system.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
Every workplace I've been at allowed you to leave briefly to go cast a vote. Sounds like you worked for some really disenfranchising companies.
- edoceo 6y ago
  "briefly" and hours long waits for voting don't really mesh up... https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Long_Voting_Lines_Explained.pdf https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/L... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/11/atlanta-georgia-primary-election-voting-wait https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/11/atlanta-geor...
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Ask the cleaning staff, security, or any blue collar workers at your company if they are allowed to leave to vote. You might not be the target for disenfranchisement.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  A majority of people don't have the luxury of choosing their employer.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Lincoln abolished slavery years ago.
excalibur 6y ago
Personally I make it a habit to vote first thing in the morning, before going to work. Lines are negligible, and I've never had an employer complain about me showing up a few minutes late wearing an "I voted" sticker. But YMMV.
- edoceo 6y ago
  YMMV is a huge caveat. Not everyone has this privilege. We've lost the fair part of free and fair elections and you blow it off with YMMV. Miss me with that entitled bullshit
  - IncRnd 6y ago
    Are you able to vote early or via mail? Wouldn't one of those count your vote? I vote early in almost all elections, and that takes care of this issue for me.
    - imustbeevil 6y ago
      > Texas, for instance, is one of the four states that hasn't expanded access to mail ballots in response to the pandemic, and Republicans there are engaged in high-profile court battles to keep it that way. > Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has said in statements that "fear of contracting COVID-19 does not amount to a sickness or physical condition as required by state law." He also said that his office would prosecute people for voter fraud if they use a mail-in ballot in a matter he said is improper. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know#states https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-ma...
      - IncRnd 6y ago
        I appreciate your Google skills. Your link points to an expanded reference of the 46 states who have expanded access to mail in ballots! Regarding, your second point, take a look at the Texas Secretary of State's page on Absentee Ballots. https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml. The AG that was quoted is absolutely correct, according to the listed reasons. The AG doesn't make law. The Texas legislature makes law. So, what was your point in quoting that scare article? Instead of repeatedly posting links to scare articles, do you have a link to an actual person who has (not expects to) already experienced voter suppression?
IncRnd 6y ago
That's why people can vote early or can even request a mail-in ballot. It's disturbing how people talk about voting as if there is disenfranchisement, without knowing the various times and ways they can vote.
- imustbeevil 6y ago
  I can't respond to this without being mean, so I'd recommend just googling "us voter disenfranchisement". https://www.aclu.org/facts-about-voter-suppression https://www.aclu.org/facts-about-voter-suppression https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/ https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-vot... https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-... https://prospect.org/politics/the-many-varieties-of-voter-suppression/ https://prospect.org/politics/the-many-varieties-of-voter-su... https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-su... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/11/20/461296/voter-suppression-2018-midterm-elections/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/20...
  - IncRnd 6y ago
    Honest question: What is an actual example of a disenfranchised voter, not articles that say "there will be disenfranchised voters"?
    - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
      Just to be clear, is it your position that voter disenfranchisement does not happen in the United States?
      - IncRnd 6y ago
        You replied to a question I wrote, not a statement. I'd like to know under what conditions an actual real person has suddenly become disenfranchised and was unable to vote early, on regular poll days, or via mail.
JohnStrangeII 6y ago
I find it hard to believe that a democracy is unable to create a law that gives their voters a day off for voting every four years. Realistically speaking, even half a day off would suffice.
- hef19898 6y ago
  That, or vote on Sundays.

Fjolsvith 6y ago

Every workplace I've been at allowed you to leave briefly to go cast a vote. Sounds like you worked for some really disenfranchising companies.

edoceo 6y ago
"briefly" and hours long waits for voting don't really mesh up... https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Long_Voting_Lines_Explained.pdf https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/L... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/11/atlanta-georgia-primary-election-voting-wait https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/11/atlanta-geor...
boomboomsubban 6y ago
Ask the cleaning staff, security, or any blue collar workers at your company if they are allowed to leave to vote. You might not be the target for disenfranchisement.
cortesoft 6y ago
A majority of people don't have the luxury of choosing their employer.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Lincoln abolished slavery years ago.

excalibur 6y ago

Personally I make it a habit to vote first thing in the morning, before going to work. Lines are negligible, and I've never had an employer complain about me showing up a few minutes late wearing an "I voted" sticker. But YMMV.

edoceo 6y ago
YMMV is a huge caveat. Not everyone has this privilege. We've lost the fair part of free and fair elections and you blow it off with YMMV. Miss me with that entitled bullshit
- IncRnd 6y ago
  Are you able to vote early or via mail? Wouldn't one of those count your vote? I vote early in almost all elections, and that takes care of this issue for me.
  - imustbeevil 6y ago
    > Texas, for instance, is one of the four states that hasn't expanded access to mail ballots in response to the pandemic, and Republicans there are engaged in high-profile court battles to keep it that way. > Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has said in statements that "fear of contracting COVID-19 does not amount to a sickness or physical condition as required by state law." He also said that his office would prosecute people for voter fraud if they use a mail-in ballot in a matter he said is improper. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know#states https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-ma...
    - IncRnd 6y ago
      I appreciate your Google skills. Your link points to an expanded reference of the 46 states who have expanded access to mail in ballots! Regarding, your second point, take a look at the Texas Secretary of State's page on Absentee Ballots. https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml. The AG that was quoted is absolutely correct, according to the listed reasons. The AG doesn't make law. The Texas legislature makes law. So, what was your point in quoting that scare article? Instead of repeatedly posting links to scare articles, do you have a link to an actual person who has (not expects to) already experienced voter suppression?

IncRnd 6y ago

That's why people can vote early or can even request a mail-in ballot. It's disturbing how people talk about voting as if there is disenfranchisement, without knowing the various times and ways they can vote.

imustbeevil 6y ago
I can't respond to this without being mean, so I'd recommend just googling "us voter disenfranchisement". https://www.aclu.org/facts-about-voter-suppression https://www.aclu.org/facts-about-voter-suppression https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/ https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-vot... https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-... https://prospect.org/politics/the-many-varieties-of-voter-suppression/ https://prospect.org/politics/the-many-varieties-of-voter-su... https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-su... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/11/20/461296/voter-suppression-2018-midterm-elections/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/20...
- IncRnd 6y ago
  Honest question: What is an actual example of a disenfranchised voter, not articles that say "there will be disenfranchised voters"?
  - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
    Just to be clear, is it your position that voter disenfranchisement does not happen in the United States?
    - IncRnd 6y ago
      You replied to a question I wrote, not a statement. I'd like to know under what conditions an actual real person has suddenly become disenfranchised and was unable to vote early, on regular poll days, or via mail.

JohnStrangeII 6y ago

I find it hard to believe that a democracy is unable to create a law that gives their voters a day off for voting every four years. Realistically speaking, even half a day off would suffice.

hef19898 6y ago
That, or vote on Sundays.