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Several years after I swore I would never work in C++ again, I agreed to do C++ in order to get a job with a company I was really interested in joining. I ended

by cicero 16y ago

Several years after I swore I would never work in C++ again, I agreed to do C++ in order to get a job with a company I was really interested in joining. I ended up working on a project that used C++ with lots of rules and restrictions, and it was not too bad except for lots of boilerplate. I would like to see something better come along that has some of the low-level power of C, but also supports sophisticated high-level abstractions. I was hoping Go might fit that bill, but the Go designers have made some interesting choices that seem to alienate a lot of developers.

robrenaud 16y ago
Maybe try D? Andrei Alexandrescu likes it, and he knows C++ really well.
- wglb 16y ago
  My theory is, upon reading his book, is that he knows it as well as all but two or three people anywhere.
  - andralex 16y ago
    Could you please clarify that a bit? That would imply that either everybody knows C++ or that I don't. Thanks!
    - njs12345 16y ago
      My reading of that comment is that he's saying you're in the top 4 worldwide..
      - andralex 16y ago
        Lysdexia is killing me.
    - wglb 16y ago
      Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say that he (is that you??) understand more about C++ than almost everybody.
coliveira 16y ago
> I would like to see something better come along that has some of the low-level power of C, but also supports sophisticated high-level abstractions Objective C this very well. It adds classes and protocols. Closures can be implemented with blocks. Everything else is the same as in C.
- blub 16y ago
  The problem with Objective-C is that it only adds things, it doesn't make the C part easier to use or safer. As you've said: everything else is the same as in C.
- cpeterso 16y ago
  As a C++ programmer dabbling in Objective-C, I have been extremely impressed. After clearing the "weird syntax" hurdle, Objective-C is a beautiful language. It is object-oriented, type-safe when you want, dynamic when you want, and C-compatible without all the problems C++ added. However, much of joy of using Objective-C is Apple's Cocoa Foundation classes. Stuff like autorelease and NSString are not part of Objective-C's core language. And support for Objective-C or Cocoa on non-Apple platforms is limited or not well-supported.
- cicero 16y ago
  I've been intending to try Objective C for many years now. I like C, I like Smalltalk, and I like Mac OS. Maybe when I finish my degree, but there's no time now.

by cicero 16y ago

robrenaud 16y ago

Maybe try D? Andrei Alexandrescu likes it, and he knows C++ really well.

wglb 16y ago
My theory is, upon reading his book, is that he knows it as well as all but two or three people anywhere.
- andralex 16y ago
  Could you please clarify that a bit? That would imply that either everybody knows C++ or that I don't. Thanks!
  - njs12345 16y ago
    My reading of that comment is that he's saying you're in the top 4 worldwide..
    - andralex 16y ago
      Lysdexia is killing me.
  - wglb 16y ago
    Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say that he (is that you??) understand more about C++ than almost everybody.

coliveira 16y ago

> I would like to see something better come along that has some of the low-level power of C, but also supports sophisticated high-level abstractions Objective C this very well. It adds classes and protocols. Closures can be implemented with blocks. Everything else is the same as in C.

blub 16y ago
The problem with Objective-C is that it only adds things, it doesn't make the C part easier to use or safer. As you've said: everything else is the same as in C.
cpeterso 16y ago
As a C++ programmer dabbling in Objective-C, I have been extremely impressed. After clearing the "weird syntax" hurdle, Objective-C is a beautiful language. It is object-oriented, type-safe when you want, dynamic when you want, and C-compatible without all the problems C++ added. However, much of joy of using Objective-C is Apple's Cocoa Foundation classes. Stuff like autorelease and NSString are not part of Objective-C's core language. And support for Objective-C or Cocoa on non-Apple platforms is limited or not well-supported.
cicero 16y ago
I've been intending to try Objective C for many years now. I like C, I like Smalltalk, and I like Mac OS. Maybe when I finish my degree, but there's no time now.