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You are missing the external and unhinged nature of 'cancel culture'.- What if I decide to buy Goya black beans, and someone takes a picture of me at the groce

by sdinsn 6y ago

You are missing the external and unhinged nature of 'cancel culture'.- What if I decide to buy Goya black beans, and someone takes a picture of me at the grocery store, and brands me as a affiliate of some certain political mindset of Twitter because of it... When in reality, I bought these beans because I just wanted to eat beans? It's perfectly reasonable for an employer to fire someone for something they said. But what if they fired them solely due to public outcry; the pressure from people who aren't affiliated with their company at all, never bought any of their products before, etc.

iron0013 6y ago
Public outcry is speech. It’s as simple as that.
- sdinsn 6y ago
  Of course its speech. And my criticism of unhinged public outcry is speech as well! It's as simple as that.
pizzazzaro 6y ago
That is a rather long chain of "what if"s to consider, all strung out in a rather linear progression. Speech is still free. Actions, such as speech, have consequences in adulthood. And thats the wild thing - even those old social media posts? Can come back to haunt you, making Social Media HYGENE important. Go ahead and request archive sites delete the data after you get the main sites to so so! This is called "responsibility" in the context of Social Media. You're not helpless here. You're not hopeless. Yes, it is a solid chunk of effort. Yes, there should probably be someone you can pay to do this for you, but I dont think we're there yet. This is the same effort you should take in response to data breaches on websites you no longer visit - be responsible, clean up your account. The difference? Youre cleaning it up before your stuff gets hacked. It really is a digital hygene. Mozilla can help. HaveIBeenPwned can help. With the world and its social norms rapidly changing? The "Cancel Culture" is growing up too. We're all learning here. Even the SJWs are getting tired of digging into long-dead MySpace posts like that, unless they've found someone they consider to already be a threat to human dignity or survival. Most of the "Cancelled" celebrities? End up making more money from the affair, especially when they refuse to have any shame for genuine wrongs. If only the same could be said for Engineers who learn the lesson on inclusivity/etc from the experience... Dont get me wrong - nothing is perfect. But there's a lot you can do to help yourself preemptively.
zug_zug 6y ago
>> But what if they fired them solely due to public outcry... It's interesting to me that this is always put on the outcrier and not the company itself.
- sdinsn 6y ago
  I personally put blame on all parties involved
082349872349872 6y ago
Why not make it unreasonable for employers to fire except for cause? (I'm told that won't work in the sister post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23802578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23802578 )

by sdinsn 6y ago

iron0013 6y ago

Public outcry is speech. It’s as simple as that.

sdinsn 6y ago
Of course its speech. And my criticism of unhinged public outcry is speech as well! It's as simple as that.

pizzazzaro 6y ago

That is a rather long chain of "what if"s to consider, all strung out in a rather linear progression. Speech is still free. Actions, such as speech, have consequences in adulthood. And thats the wild thing - even those old social media posts? Can come back to haunt you, making Social Media HYGENE important. Go ahead and request archive sites delete the data after you get the main sites to so so! This is called "responsibility" in the context of Social Media. You're not helpless here. You're not hopeless. Yes, it is a solid chunk of effort. Yes, there should probably be someone you can pay to do this for you, but I dont think we're there yet. This is the same effort you should take in response to data breaches on websites you no longer visit - be responsible, clean up your account. The difference? Youre cleaning it up before your stuff gets hacked. It really is a digital hygene. Mozilla can help. HaveIBeenPwned can help. With the world and its social norms rapidly changing? The "Cancel Culture" is growing up too. We're all learning here. Even the SJWs are getting tired of digging into long-dead MySpace posts like that, unless they've found someone they consider to already be a threat to human dignity or survival. Most of the "Cancelled" celebrities? End up making more money from the affair, especially when they refuse to have any shame for genuine wrongs. If only the same could be said for Engineers who learn the lesson on inclusivity/etc from the experience... Dont get me wrong - nothing is perfect. But there's a lot you can do to help yourself preemptively.

zug_zug 6y ago

>> But what if they fired them solely due to public outcry... It's interesting to me that this is always put on the outcrier and not the company itself.

sdinsn 6y ago
I personally put blame on all parties involved

082349872349872 6y ago

Why not make it unreasonable for employers to fire except for cause? (I'm told that won't work in the sister post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23802578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23802578 )