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For one thing, it's incredibly chauvinistic to dismiss pre-colombian society as "some nomads," and their mobility patterns as having "wandered". Nomadic life-wa
by rexpop 6y ago
For one thing, it's incredibly chauvinistic to dismiss pre-colombian society as "some nomads," and their mobility patterns as having "wandered". Nomadic life-ways aren't the thoughtless ramblings of a child at play, or a sub-sentient beast in simple reactionary pursuit of greener pastures. They summer here, winter there, raise children in these parts, and visit those for sport, trade, or agriculture. Their relationship with the land is purposeful, and maintained by cultural artifacts we'd recognize as Almanacs.
One isn't "wandering" just because they haven't poured concrete.
For another thing, the pre-colombian americas weren't the Gardens of Eden, magically and effortlessly producing sustenance, and materials for us to enjoy. They were cultivated, sculpted, and gamed into those forms which facilitated our survival. There's evidence enough of that in the ways that restrictive intra- and under-growth have returned to the forests indigenous populations kept pruned for their traversal.
Lastly, biomes are big systems, and interconnected. I may have only a small garden, but it's fed from massive watersheds. If I am to survive, the mountains which constitute that watershed must be recognized as "mine" in some regard. So it goes with all the lands which feed into, and out of, those through which "some nomads once wandered."
I hope you can see, now, how myopically your "reality check" frames the situation.
Edit: I took out a specious allusion to the BLM.
- Acrobatic_Road 6y ago>Nomadic life-ways aren't the thoughtless ramblings of a child at play In 11th century eastern europe, Kipchaq nomads did the same - "wandering" as in following seasonal patterns within their lands. But it was not until the 17th century that the steppes were settled - and the settlers weren't Kipchaqs. Imagine if a modern day Ukrainian was presented with a similar indigenous map based on nomadic groups that once roamed his country - it would stretch from the Danube to the Volga! Should we convert the entire pontic-caspian steppe into an indigenous zones for Nogais and Tatars who are related to the historical kipchaqs?
- dylan-m 6y agoIs it written into Ukraine's laws (and then quietly ignored) that they should respect those groups' territories and negotiate treaties to resolve issues? Fun fact: British Columbia barely has any treaties because people have ignored the issue for decades. This is incredibly slow going: http://www.bctreaty.ca/negotiation-update http://www.bctreaty.ca/negotiation-update. Edit: Read about Nogais and Tatars instead of spewing nonsense :)
- DoofusOfDeath 6y ago> And by what grounds are they the Bureau of Land Management's? You may be accidentally engaging in a form of whataboutism. The GP questioned whose.land's standards when drawing the borders. But I don't think GP asserted that the U.S.'s claims were any more valid.
- rexpop 6y ago> I don't think GP asserted that the U.S.'s claims were any more valid. They've left it up to our imagination what they think is valid. Edit: After reflecting on your response, I've taken out the offending line.
- kortilla 6y agoNomadic lifestyles don’t scale. It’s not that “living off the land” is somehow trivial or dumb. In order to treat people with complex diseases, develop medicines, avoid famines during the cold, etc, a civilization needs to move beyond a nomadic lifestyle technologically.