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The Polymath Playbook

214 points by daretorant 6y ago

daretorant 6y ago
You’ve likely heard the saying: “A jack of all trades is a master of none.” It warns against the futility of pursuing too many disciplines. Be a specialist, or you’ll be nothing. It may surprise you to learn there’s actually an extended version: “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.” With a subtle addition, its meaning becomes inverted to tout the benefits of being a polymath (a.k.a. generalist). Why is the former so common, and the latter so unknown? The answer lies in modern society’s preference for specialization. This essay explores how specialization limits workers’ freedom, how the polymath approach can offer a reprieve, and my own learnings exploring a multitude of pursuits.
- nkozyra 6y ago
  I think it's a mistake to call a polymath a generalist. The concept of a polymath is predicated on top notch knowledge and skill at multiple disciplines. Generalist implies breadth but not depth.
  - ralphstodomingo 6y ago
    That too was my only gripe with the article - solid and engaging writing, but I was wincing every time polymath was mentioned. I feel like you could substitute most uses of the word with just 'generalist' and the article would have held together just as well.
- kevinskii 6y ago
  Please make it clear that you’re quoting the piece. Your entire comment is a literal copy/paste of the first few paragraphs.
  - daretorant 6y ago
    Apologies, will definitely do that in future submissions!
thinkingkong 6y ago
So under this definition I too am a polymath but so are most of my colleagues. Some of the smartest engineers Ive ever met have wildly different hobbies outside of engineering or software. Boating. Baking. Triathlons. Music. But the most successful people do one thing, 100% in an all consuming way before flipping into another. Theyre the best bakers. Have sailed the furhest distances, written the best songs, and posted the best times. Another way to think about it is “you can have anything you want, but not everything you want”. Choose accordingly.
- woofie11 6y ago
  This is the way to do it. Done well, a 5-year deep dive can make you a world-class expert in most things. Do that, and then move onto the next thing, bringing that skillset along. It goes faster every time too. It turns out there are lots of overlaps. Linear algebra and differential equations are (roughly) the same in electronic engineering, quantum mechanics, or mechanical engineering, and where they're not is where you often bring in unique insights. The people who struggle are the ones who go shallow. A half-dozen HN articles a day.
  - person_of_color 6y ago
    > A half-dozen HN articles a day. Time to block it.
  - kiba 6y ago
    The people who struggle are the ones who go shallow. A half-dozen HN articles a day. It's not really a half dozen HN articles a day. It's the shallow absorption of HN articles that's only 5 or 10 minutes top per article. And then you only remembered 10% top of the article you absorbed. Whereas you select and absorb two HN article for a week, at twenty minutes each article per day, you'll retain more and makes connections you otherwise wouldn't see.
Chiba-City 6y ago
Great read. "A gentleman should play the flute, but never too well." - Aristotle. Our specializations are not states of nature. Let's restart and strengthen this narrative with another observation: today's USA public companies are statistically destined to last only 15 years, down from 67 years in 1925. So, how do specializations correlate across companies? What's more, where innovations and adaptations are concerned, our communicative capacities are semantically constrained by our semantic overlaps. Specializations are mostly specializations within "wholes," and many of those, particularly academic departmental specializations, are largely calcifications. I'm not claiming there are easy solutions, but we can easily observe commonplace trainwrecks in motion.
trentnix 6y ago
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. — Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
- gordon_freeman 6y ago
  +1 if you remove the "butcher a hog" part from above!
  - therufa 6y ago
    how is this relevant to the topic?
  - em-bee 6y ago
    only if you are vegetarian, otherwise you should be aware how the meat arrived on your table.
    - Icathian 6y ago
      Strongly agree. I've been vegetarian for years, the only exception I'll make is if I go hunting with my family. If you aren't willing to kill it and clean it yourself, at least once in a while, you should probably stick to salad.
      - croissants 6y ago
        > If you aren't willing to kill it and clean it yourself, at least once in a while, you should probably stick to salad. Why? Is the idea that meat has a unique ethical component that a consumer must grapple with up close by killing and butchering? There seem to be many items we consume that have complicated and unethical production processes, but nobody goes around telling people they need to make their own cell phone or t shirt at least once in a while.
stevofolife 6y ago
Thanks for sharing your sentiments. I tend to associate polymaths with the Renaissance era. People like Da Vinci and Galilei are true polymaths. In modern days Elon Musk is one. However I do think the word polymath is more well-regarded/skilled than a generalist.
geocrasher 6y ago
There's a site called https://puttylike.com/ https://puttylike.com/ that calls it a "multipotentialite" and in the gal's Ted talk she makes us out to be victims. That, I don't like- but I do like the premise of most of what she's saying otherwise. Being a generalist only means you get to explore whatever's fancy today, and because you've defined yourself as eternally undefined, nobody generally cares.
- em-bee 6y ago
  victims of what?
  - geocrasher 6y ago
    Victims of "the system" that prefers specialization.
- froh 6y ago
  I don't get the victim part. https://www.ted.com/talks/emilie_wapnick_why_some_of_us_don_t_have_one_true_calling/transcript https://www.ted.com/talks/emilie_wapnick_why_some_of_us_don_... Emilie Wapnick is very positive and encouraging to allow yourself to love doing several things. The only cautious part is about 'culture' focusing on specialization, and not encouraging the pursuit of seemingly unrelated paths. Is that what you were referring to?
- juped 6y ago
  It's easy to feel like a victim when you learn really quickly, are very good at a wide variety of different areas, and languish in poverty and debt because the only way to get non-marginal employment is 10 straight years of the exact same specific thing that doesn't even have 2 years of learning to be wrung from it.
- merlinsbrain 6y ago
  If Wapnick’s work resonates with you, you might enjoy Barbara Sher’s Refuse to Choose. [0] Sher is the author who “coined“ the “scanner” term. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/287818.Refuse_to_Choose_ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/287818.Refuse_to_Choose_
smabie 6y ago
Software development is an interesting field in that it is a lot less specialized than others. It's pretty easy to bounce around doing completely different work at each job. So far the field has resisted any sort of assembly line model and I hope it remains that way. Some essay I read likened it to classic gunsmiths: the tolerance is so tight, that a single craftsmen was responsible for every part of the gun. The same is true for programming: you can't just take a bunch of different libraries and "assemble" them together. And if you try, the quality of the final product will undoubtedly be poor. I'm looking at you, simple websites that take the entire memory space of 200 Commodore 64 computers put together!
- znpy 6y ago
  > So far the field has resisted any sort of assembly line model Are you sure? I mostly agree with this statement, however things like scrum/devops and frameworks seems to be pushing in that direction in my opinion
monkeydust 6y ago
Interesting read, would say a lot of good product managers have polymath traits... Software design, understand how to sell , commercial, legal, marketing...
- tatar 6y ago
  I've always considered myself a jack of all trades and made the switch to product management after being a designer for the last decade. The switch felt almost fully natural, and I noticed that I have a very obvious significant leg up from most of my peers, I'm easily 3-4x more productive while working at the same pace as everyone.
sradman 6y ago
> The answer lies in modern society’s preference for specialization. Yet modern society also has a preference for a broad liberal arts education. Like bundling/unbundling and reductionism/synthesis, there seems to be an ongoing ebb and flow between multi-disciplinary and specialized skills driven by the value add.
_nalply 6y ago
Attention: Nerd Snipe. The Ikigai graph should be painted on a torus because we need to see two additional intersections. Let's try to name them: - What you LOVE and What you can be PAID FOR: Delightful Bullshit Job - What you are GOOD AT and What the world NEEDS: Useful Self-Sacrifice Or do you have a better idea? And: how should we color them to have nice, meaningful shades of colors? Edit: Thanks for BlackFingolfin to point out that a sphere's not good enough.
- BlackFingolfin 6y ago
  Actually I don't think you can paint that on a sphere without overlap... you'll need to paint it on a torus ;-)
  - _nalply 6y ago
    Hah, you got me!
- emmanueloga_ 6y ago
  this made me laugh so hard... brilliant observation :-D Here's a pseudo-symmetrical Venn diagram for four sets, as an alternative representation :-) [1] 1: https://www.combinatorics.org/files/Surveys/ds5/VennSymmVariants.html#nonprime https://www.combinatorics.org/files/Surveys/ds5/VennSymmVari...
  - _nalply 6y ago
    Another variant with ovals: https://twitter.com/david_perell/status/1261851180881174529 https://twitter.com/david_perell/status/1261851180881174529
- Izkata 6y ago
  Out of curiosity I google image searched "ikigai torus" to see if anyone had made one, and got a few distinct things: A 3-circle shape being sold as jewelry that claimed to represent the concept, it being used as magic/mantra on new-agey sites, and one that straight claims that this diagram is a misrepresentation of the concept (but is also selling a workbook). Now I can't help but wonder if this is one of those "those silly westerners" things, akin to gibberish or insulting Japanese/Chinese words as tattoos.
apfreerunner 6y ago
It's best to follow a "T" approach, have a broad skillset but with enough depth in one particular trade that can last economic downturns and for which demand is inelastic.
- BossingAround 6y ago
  From my experience, "T" approach is a lie. You get people who are just generalists ("-" people). "T" approach is FAANG's way of forcing people to dedicate 12h a day to their engineering career both before they apply to get in, and after they get in to advance.
FredWFlintstone 6y ago
I think biologically we evolve to be polymaths. Only after humans formed complex societies we have opportunities that sustainably reward specialization. And there is probably very little genetic reinforcement of modern specialization. Don't have my own experience but from what I see, family life of a polymath seems much more rewarding and with a lot of genetic reinforcement. The Revenant might be a good example of 2 stages of evolving human societies where one totally rewards Polymaths and in other you probably want to start being a specialist.
chrisweekly 6y ago
My ideal: - "jack of all trades, master of none" + "jack of many trades, master of a few"
- mikhailfranco 6y ago
  Yes, master of none cannot get a job. And even if the polymath does get a job, their new colleagues will not understand them, or actively persecute them for having a broad approach.
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croissants 6y ago
> When I first began to study polymaths, I was excited to see a template for a life I didn’t know I was living. But when I started to embrace the polymath identity, my inner critics appeared. I wondered whether I’m even qualified to write about polymaths, let alone call myself one. Then why not just go on cultivating diverse interests -- which is really what this blog post is about, and which seems like a fine idea -- and sidestep all of this "polymath" business? Why make it harder by picking the grandest label you can find and then worrying about whether you qualify?
- notahacker 6y ago
  Yep. Indeed you're better off not picking the grand label even if it perfectly suits you, because people are more likely to chuckle at your pomposity if you start describing yourself as one (see also self-described 'intellectuals', 'geniuses' and 'ninjas') than be impressed. It doesn't help that for much of the post the author seems to conflate the concept of the Aristotle-type polymath making breakthroughs in multiple unrelated fields with standard career paths [engineer, manager, teacher, founder, advisor] and transferable career skills. All of which are entirely worth pursuing without the dubious label.
  - Izkata 6y ago
    Between this and that [0], it popped into my head that we should just go further and invent polymodal. Would specifically refer to the other comment's "only one thing" deep dive. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23808478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23808478
nomadtwin 6y ago
Whole article resonates so thank you for putting that up. The word POLYMATH is a little clunky for non-native speakers. If you were to ask people in the streets the word GENERALIST is probably easier to understand. I experienced that with a lot of words that tend to describe a certain type/trend/box. I'm not advocating against the word just trying to raise awareness why there's people out there that would rather simply break it down to "Generalist" and Polymath will most likely be a niche word on a global scale.
- tomrod 6y ago
  A generalist will include both polymaths and those that have mediocre skillsets. Polymath is a sufficiently distinct concept to have its own term.
- webmaven 6y ago
  A polymath has multiple areas of specialization or expertise, a generalist has (even more) multiple areas of competence. These aren't mutually exclusive. Note the special case of the generalist with ONE area of expertise is the "t-shaped" individual, which is probably a more appropriate baseline goal than anything else. Although I am not sure how domain knowledge intersects with technical skills as a matter of strategy...
ihm 6y ago
> The lack of freedom might be a worthy sacrifice in exchange for job security. But therein lies the problem: few companies can actually guarantee long-term stability. Many workers already face ambiguity with their job security due to the impending effects of automation. Now, with the tornado of change brought about by the COVID pandemic, the brittleness of even large corporations’ stability has become apparent. So how do we survive these waves of change? Adaptability. This starts out with a good analysis, but an approach that tried to change the system rather than the individual-by-individual approach it proposes would be so much more defective. We don’t just have to adapt to an increasingly brutal labor market and society. We can change it!
motohagiography 6y ago
What I would add to this is a caveat and a model. The caveat is that individual specialization doesn't scale, and so long as you are just talent solving problems for someone, your employer will be the ceiling and bottleneck on the good you can do in the world. The model is that as a polymath, your job is to scale. You don't know as much as specialists, but you have the unique ability to appreciate the value of what they do and this provides a natural advantage in leading them and scaling their talents. Value is the act of bringing something from one place to another. As a polymath, you have multiple repositories that are relatively deep, which you can trade ideas between. However, what I advise polymaths is that if there is one skill you should cultivate, it's smuggling, because a lot of people who are good at one thing choose gatekeeping to ensure its status, and the biggest challenge you will have is getting value past gatekeepers and the people with a stake in their decisions. To succeed as a polymath, you should learn to live as a smuggler, fugitive, insurgent, and pariah. If nothing else, it keeps the needs of others central to your thinking. Sure, you could just live comfortably as a pet and a curiosity, stuck in someone elses cubicle, solving problems for peanut tokens and scattered applause, but if that's not satisfying, the tools to change it are already in your hands.
albatross 6y ago
I have been a generalist my whole life, and have struggled significantly to translate this into a meaningful career. I have thrived in interdisciplinary roles, but have always found myself carving them out once I have forced my way through the door in a more specialized role. Is it simply a disconnect between the hiring process and these sorts of skillsets that is causing this issue, or something else? I worked at a 3D printing startup and found myself liasing between hardware, software, and materials teams (and sales... and marketing... and...) and was the happiest I have been professionally at that time. I don't know where to look for roles similar to this. Do they even exist? Any advice?
- vsskanth 6y ago
  Have you tried looking for Project/Program manager roles, maybe even DoD ? They usually are a good fit for people with your skills
  - albatross 6y ago
    To some degree, yes. However, I've found there is often a chicken/egg problem of needing experience in the role to be hired for it. That said, it's been a few years since I looked at these,so maybe it's time to reevaluate and maybe pursue a certification of some sort.
    - vsskanth 6y ago
      A friend of mine had the same problem. Got hired into a smaller startup that was willing to take a chance on him and is now a program director
      - albatross 6y ago
        I'll adjust my search parameters. Thanks for the advice!
- BossingAround 6y ago
  > Is it simply a disconnect between the hiring process and these sorts of skillsets that is causing this issue, or something else? I feel like it's a practicality. I like doing front-end and I can hack together pretty much anything you can design in Photoshop (did some side jobs to test exactly this hypothesis), but my company would rather pay for a specialist in front-end to provide higher quality output, and have me do my expertise where I also provide more overall value. Generalists are great if the company cannot afford more people (startups, typically, love generalists), or if there's a time pressure and there are no other resources. Generalists are also great in some specific positions, like consultants, possibly (solution) architects, and one-man freelancers for small projects. Not so much for permanent positions at your Fortune 500 companies.
motteboss 6y ago
I've always thought of myself as an 80 percenter. I like to throw myself passionately into a sport or activity until I reach about an 80 percent proficiency level. To go beyond that requires an obsession that doesn't appeal to me. Once I reach 80 percent level I like to go off and do something totally different; that probably explains the diversity of the Patagonia product like - and why our versatile, multifaceted clothes are the most successful. -Yvon Chouinard
- BossingAround 6y ago
  > I've always thought of myself as an 80 percenter. I like to throw myself passionately into a sport or activity until I reach about an 80 percent proficiency level. This is a very difficult thing to grasp as a beginner. As a beginner, you have no idea where you are on the scale. You might be an "80-percenter" in React at your company and discover that you know very little when you start applying for senior front-end positions.

214 points by daretorant 6y ago

You’ve likely heard the saying: “A jack of all trades is a master of none.” It warns against the futility of pursuing too many disciplines. Be a specialist, or you’ll be nothing. It may surprise you to learn there’s actually an extended version: “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.” With a subtle addition, its meaning becomes inverted to tout the benefits of being a polymath (a.k.a. generalist). Why is the former so common, and the latter so unknown? The answer lies in modern society’s preference for specialization. This essay explores how specialization limits workers’ freedom, how the polymath approach can offer a reprieve, and my own learnings exploring a multitude of pursuits.

nkozyra 6y ago
I think it's a mistake to call a polymath a generalist. The concept of a polymath is predicated on top notch knowledge and skill at multiple disciplines. Generalist implies breadth but not depth.
- ralphstodomingo 6y ago
  That too was my only gripe with the article - solid and engaging writing, but I was wincing every time polymath was mentioned. I feel like you could substitute most uses of the word with just 'generalist' and the article would have held together just as well.
kevinskii 6y ago
Please make it clear that you’re quoting the piece. Your entire comment is a literal copy/paste of the first few paragraphs.
- daretorant 6y ago
  Apologies, will definitely do that in future submissions!

thinkingkong 6y ago

So under this definition I too am a polymath but so are most of my colleagues. Some of the smartest engineers Ive ever met have wildly different hobbies outside of engineering or software. Boating. Baking. Triathlons. Music. But the most successful people do one thing, 100% in an all consuming way before flipping into another. Theyre the best bakers. Have sailed the furhest distances, written the best songs, and posted the best times. Another way to think about it is “you can have anything you want, but not everything you want”. Choose accordingly.

woofie11 6y ago
This is the way to do it. Done well, a 5-year deep dive can make you a world-class expert in most things. Do that, and then move onto the next thing, bringing that skillset along. It goes faster every time too. It turns out there are lots of overlaps. Linear algebra and differential equations are (roughly) the same in electronic engineering, quantum mechanics, or mechanical engineering, and where they're not is where you often bring in unique insights. The people who struggle are the ones who go shallow. A half-dozen HN articles a day.
- person_of_color 6y ago
  > A half-dozen HN articles a day. Time to block it.
- kiba 6y ago
  The people who struggle are the ones who go shallow. A half-dozen HN articles a day. It's not really a half dozen HN articles a day. It's the shallow absorption of HN articles that's only 5 or 10 minutes top per article. And then you only remembered 10% top of the article you absorbed. Whereas you select and absorb two HN article for a week, at twenty minutes each article per day, you'll retain more and makes connections you otherwise wouldn't see.

Chiba-City 6y ago

Great read. "A gentleman should play the flute, but never too well." - Aristotle. Our specializations are not states of nature. Let's restart and strengthen this narrative with another observation: today's USA public companies are statistically destined to last only 15 years, down from 67 years in 1925. So, how do specializations correlate across companies? What's more, where innovations and adaptations are concerned, our communicative capacities are semantically constrained by our semantic overlaps. Specializations are mostly specializations within "wholes," and many of those, particularly academic departmental specializations, are largely calcifications. I'm not claiming there are easy solutions, but we can easily observe commonplace trainwrecks in motion.

trentnix 6y ago

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. — Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

gordon_freeman 6y ago
+1 if you remove the "butcher a hog" part from above!
- therufa 6y ago
  how is this relevant to the topic?
- em-bee 6y ago
  only if you are vegetarian, otherwise you should be aware how the meat arrived on your table.
  - Icathian 6y ago
    Strongly agree. I've been vegetarian for years, the only exception I'll make is if I go hunting with my family. If you aren't willing to kill it and clean it yourself, at least once in a while, you should probably stick to salad.
    - croissants 6y ago
      > If you aren't willing to kill it and clean it yourself, at least once in a while, you should probably stick to salad. Why? Is the idea that meat has a unique ethical component that a consumer must grapple with up close by killing and butchering? There seem to be many items we consume that have complicated and unethical production processes, but nobody goes around telling people they need to make their own cell phone or t shirt at least once in a while.

stevofolife 6y ago

Thanks for sharing your sentiments. I tend to associate polymaths with the Renaissance era. People like Da Vinci and Galilei are true polymaths. In modern days Elon Musk is one. However I do think the word polymath is more well-regarded/skilled than a generalist.

geocrasher 6y ago

There's a site called https://puttylike.com/ https://puttylike.com/ that calls it a "multipotentialite" and in the gal's Ted talk she makes us out to be victims. That, I don't like- but I do like the premise of most of what she's saying otherwise. Being a generalist only means you get to explore whatever's fancy today, and because you've defined yourself as eternally undefined, nobody generally cares.

em-bee 6y ago
victims of what?
- geocrasher 6y ago
  Victims of "the system" that prefers specialization.
froh 6y ago
I don't get the victim part. https://www.ted.com/talks/emilie_wapnick_why_some_of_us_don_t_have_one_true_calling/transcript https://www.ted.com/talks/emilie_wapnick_why_some_of_us_don_... Emilie Wapnick is very positive and encouraging to allow yourself to love doing several things. The only cautious part is about 'culture' focusing on specialization, and not encouraging the pursuit of seemingly unrelated paths. Is that what you were referring to?
juped 6y ago
It's easy to feel like a victim when you learn really quickly, are very good at a wide variety of different areas, and languish in poverty and debt because the only way to get non-marginal employment is 10 straight years of the exact same specific thing that doesn't even have 2 years of learning to be wrung from it.
merlinsbrain 6y ago
If Wapnick’s work resonates with you, you might enjoy Barbara Sher’s Refuse to Choose. [0] Sher is the author who “coined“ the “scanner” term. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/287818.Refuse_to_Choose_ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/287818.Refuse_to_Choose_

smabie 6y ago

Software development is an interesting field in that it is a lot less specialized than others. It's pretty easy to bounce around doing completely different work at each job. So far the field has resisted any sort of assembly line model and I hope it remains that way. Some essay I read likened it to classic gunsmiths: the tolerance is so tight, that a single craftsmen was responsible for every part of the gun. The same is true for programming: you can't just take a bunch of different libraries and "assemble" them together. And if you try, the quality of the final product will undoubtedly be poor. I'm looking at you, simple websites that take the entire memory space of 200 Commodore 64 computers put together!

znpy 6y ago
> So far the field has resisted any sort of assembly line model Are you sure? I mostly agree with this statement, however things like scrum/devops and frameworks seems to be pushing in that direction in my opinion

monkeydust 6y ago

Interesting read, would say a lot of good product managers have polymath traits... Software design, understand how to sell , commercial, legal, marketing...

tatar 6y ago
I've always considered myself a jack of all trades and made the switch to product management after being a designer for the last decade. The switch felt almost fully natural, and I noticed that I have a very obvious significant leg up from most of my peers, I'm easily 3-4x more productive while working at the same pace as everyone.

sradman 6y ago

> The answer lies in modern society’s preference for specialization. Yet modern society also has a preference for a broad liberal arts education. Like bundling/unbundling and reductionism/synthesis, there seems to be an ongoing ebb and flow between multi-disciplinary and specialized skills driven by the value add.

_nalply 6y ago

Attention: Nerd Snipe. The Ikigai graph should be painted on a torus because we need to see two additional intersections. Let's try to name them: - What you LOVE and What you can be PAID FOR: Delightful Bullshit Job - What you are GOOD AT and What the world NEEDS: Useful Self-Sacrifice Or do you have a better idea? And: how should we color them to have nice, meaningful shades of colors? Edit: Thanks for BlackFingolfin to point out that a sphere's not good enough.

BlackFingolfin 6y ago
Actually I don't think you can paint that on a sphere without overlap... you'll need to paint it on a torus ;-)
- _nalply 6y ago
  Hah, you got me!
emmanueloga_ 6y ago
this made me laugh so hard... brilliant observation :-D Here's a pseudo-symmetrical Venn diagram for four sets, as an alternative representation :-) [1] 1: https://www.combinatorics.org/files/Surveys/ds5/VennSymmVariants.html#nonprime https://www.combinatorics.org/files/Surveys/ds5/VennSymmVari...
- _nalply 6y ago
  Another variant with ovals: https://twitter.com/david_perell/status/1261851180881174529 https://twitter.com/david_perell/status/1261851180881174529
Izkata 6y ago
Out of curiosity I google image searched "ikigai torus" to see if anyone had made one, and got a few distinct things: A 3-circle shape being sold as jewelry that claimed to represent the concept, it being used as magic/mantra on new-agey sites, and one that straight claims that this diagram is a misrepresentation of the concept (but is also selling a workbook). Now I can't help but wonder if this is one of those "those silly westerners" things, akin to gibberish or insulting Japanese/Chinese words as tattoos.

apfreerunner 6y ago

It's best to follow a "T" approach, have a broad skillset but with enough depth in one particular trade that can last economic downturns and for which demand is inelastic.

BossingAround 6y ago
From my experience, "T" approach is a lie. You get people who are just generalists ("-" people). "T" approach is FAANG's way of forcing people to dedicate 12h a day to their engineering career both before they apply to get in, and after they get in to advance.

FredWFlintstone 6y ago

I think biologically we evolve to be polymaths. Only after humans formed complex societies we have opportunities that sustainably reward specialization. And there is probably very little genetic reinforcement of modern specialization. Don't have my own experience but from what I see, family life of a polymath seems much more rewarding and with a lot of genetic reinforcement. The Revenant might be a good example of 2 stages of evolving human societies where one totally rewards Polymaths and in other you probably want to start being a specialist.

chrisweekly 6y ago

My ideal: - "jack of all trades, master of none" + "jack of many trades, master of a few"

mikhailfranco 6y ago
Yes, master of none cannot get a job. And even if the polymath does get a job, their new colleagues will not understand them, or actively persecute them for having a broad approach.
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croissants 6y ago

> When I first began to study polymaths, I was excited to see a template for a life I didn’t know I was living. But when I started to embrace the polymath identity, my inner critics appeared. I wondered whether I’m even qualified to write about polymaths, let alone call myself one. Then why not just go on cultivating diverse interests -- which is really what this blog post is about, and which seems like a fine idea -- and sidestep all of this "polymath" business? Why make it harder by picking the grandest label you can find and then worrying about whether you qualify?

notahacker 6y ago
Yep. Indeed you're better off not picking the grand label even if it perfectly suits you, because people are more likely to chuckle at your pomposity if you start describing yourself as one (see also self-described 'intellectuals', 'geniuses' and 'ninjas') than be impressed. It doesn't help that for much of the post the author seems to conflate the concept of the Aristotle-type polymath making breakthroughs in multiple unrelated fields with standard career paths [engineer, manager, teacher, founder, advisor] and transferable career skills. All of which are entirely worth pursuing without the dubious label.
- Izkata 6y ago
  Between this and that [0], it popped into my head that we should just go further and invent polymodal. Would specifically refer to the other comment's "only one thing" deep dive. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23808478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23808478

nomadtwin 6y ago

Whole article resonates so thank you for putting that up. The word POLYMATH is a little clunky for non-native speakers. If you were to ask people in the streets the word GENERALIST is probably easier to understand. I experienced that with a lot of words that tend to describe a certain type/trend/box. I'm not advocating against the word just trying to raise awareness why there's people out there that would rather simply break it down to "Generalist" and Polymath will most likely be a niche word on a global scale.

tomrod 6y ago
A generalist will include both polymaths and those that have mediocre skillsets. Polymath is a sufficiently distinct concept to have its own term.
webmaven 6y ago
A polymath has multiple areas of specialization or expertise, a generalist has (even more) multiple areas of competence. These aren't mutually exclusive. Note the special case of the generalist with ONE area of expertise is the "t-shaped" individual, which is probably a more appropriate baseline goal than anything else. Although I am not sure how domain knowledge intersects with technical skills as a matter of strategy...

ihm 6y ago

> The lack of freedom might be a worthy sacrifice in exchange for job security. But therein lies the problem: few companies can actually guarantee long-term stability. Many workers already face ambiguity with their job security due to the impending effects of automation. Now, with the tornado of change brought about by the COVID pandemic, the brittleness of even large corporations’ stability has become apparent. So how do we survive these waves of change? Adaptability. This starts out with a good analysis, but an approach that tried to change the system rather than the individual-by-individual approach it proposes would be so much more defective. We don’t just have to adapt to an increasingly brutal labor market and society. We can change it!

motohagiography 6y ago

What I would add to this is a caveat and a model. The caveat is that individual specialization doesn't scale, and so long as you are just talent solving problems for someone, your employer will be the ceiling and bottleneck on the good you can do in the world. The model is that as a polymath, your job is to scale. You don't know as much as specialists, but you have the unique ability to appreciate the value of what they do and this provides a natural advantage in leading them and scaling their talents. Value is the act of bringing something from one place to another. As a polymath, you have multiple repositories that are relatively deep, which you can trade ideas between. However, what I advise polymaths is that if there is one skill you should cultivate, it's smuggling, because a lot of people who are good at one thing choose gatekeeping to ensure its status, and the biggest challenge you will have is getting value past gatekeepers and the people with a stake in their decisions. To succeed as a polymath, you should learn to live as a smuggler, fugitive, insurgent, and pariah. If nothing else, it keeps the needs of others central to your thinking. Sure, you could just live comfortably as a pet and a curiosity, stuck in someone elses cubicle, solving problems for peanut tokens and scattered applause, but if that's not satisfying, the tools to change it are already in your hands.

albatross 6y ago

I have been a generalist my whole life, and have struggled significantly to translate this into a meaningful career. I have thrived in interdisciplinary roles, but have always found myself carving them out once I have forced my way through the door in a more specialized role. Is it simply a disconnect between the hiring process and these sorts of skillsets that is causing this issue, or something else? I worked at a 3D printing startup and found myself liasing between hardware, software, and materials teams (and sales... and marketing... and...) and was the happiest I have been professionally at that time. I don't know where to look for roles similar to this. Do they even exist? Any advice?

vsskanth 6y ago
Have you tried looking for Project/Program manager roles, maybe even DoD ? They usually are a good fit for people with your skills
- albatross 6y ago
  To some degree, yes. However, I've found there is often a chicken/egg problem of needing experience in the role to be hired for it. That said, it's been a few years since I looked at these,so maybe it's time to reevaluate and maybe pursue a certification of some sort.
  - vsskanth 6y ago
    A friend of mine had the same problem. Got hired into a smaller startup that was willing to take a chance on him and is now a program director
    - albatross 6y ago
      I'll adjust my search parameters. Thanks for the advice!
BossingAround 6y ago
> Is it simply a disconnect between the hiring process and these sorts of skillsets that is causing this issue, or something else? I feel like it's a practicality. I like doing front-end and I can hack together pretty much anything you can design in Photoshop (did some side jobs to test exactly this hypothesis), but my company would rather pay for a specialist in front-end to provide higher quality output, and have me do my expertise where I also provide more overall value. Generalists are great if the company cannot afford more people (startups, typically, love generalists), or if there's a time pressure and there are no other resources. Generalists are also great in some specific positions, like consultants, possibly (solution) architects, and one-man freelancers for small projects. Not so much for permanent positions at your Fortune 500 companies.

motteboss 6y ago

I've always thought of myself as an 80 percenter. I like to throw myself passionately into a sport or activity until I reach about an 80 percent proficiency level. To go beyond that requires an obsession that doesn't appeal to me. Once I reach 80 percent level I like to go off and do something totally different; that probably explains the diversity of the Patagonia product like - and why our versatile, multifaceted clothes are the most successful. -Yvon Chouinard

BossingAround 6y ago
> I've always thought of myself as an 80 percenter. I like to throw myself passionately into a sport or activity until I reach about an 80 percent proficiency level. This is a very difficult thing to grasp as a beginner. As a beginner, you have no idea where you are on the scale. You might be an "80-percenter" in React at your company and discover that you know very little when you start applying for senior front-end positions.