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All whilst being propped up for decades by the USA for geopolitical objectives??! It's not an accident that one of the stupidest, most theocratic countries in

All whilst being propped up for decades by the USA for geopolitical objectives??! It's not an accident that one of the stupidest, most theocratic countries in the middle east receives the most weapons and support from the USA. We don't want a strong middle east. This is why countries like Iran, Lebanon, Syria are labelled as "terrorist".

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yyyk 6y ago
That's exactly the same hypocrisy the OP is complaining about, just from the other direction. One faction of the West ignores Saudi's role in killing Yemenis; The other faction ignores Iran's role in killing Syrians. One faction ignores domestic repression in Saudi Arabia; the other ignores domestic repression in Iran. One ignores theocracy in Saudi, the other ignores theocracy in Iran. Both countries and both rulers of said countries should be international pariahs.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Assuming I'm "OP" to whom you refer... I reject this false equivalence. That isn't to say that the government of Iran is perfect; no government is. However, it is entirely the fault of USA that Iran's government takes the form that it does currently. We should have left Mosaddegh alone. We shouldn't have helped the Shah kill religious and democracy protesters. We should not have sold Saddam weapons of mass destruction (and lots of other weapons too) with which to war with Iran. We should not shoot down their civilian airliners. We should abide by our treaties with Iran. We should not assassinate their diplomats while those diplomats are on diplomatic missions to nations we claim as allies. We especially shouldn't do that when the diplomat in question was the single human being most responsible for defeating ISIS, which was the actual threat to Syrian people. Iranian women have never lost their rights to drive, to appear in public, to have lives of their own. Iranian women and men both vote in elections to select their leaders. Iran has only fought defensive wars with its neighbors. Kingdom of Saudi compares very poorly in all these categories.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently). Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Of course, there's some flimsy excuses (the US once upon a time supported overthrowing someone the Islamists also helped overthrow, and there was a brutal 'security service' which the Islamists retained in full, adding a single letter to the name), but they're not very interesting. I could have run the same list of excuses for Saudi with different names and places, and it'd be the same apologia for a dictatorial theocracy which spreads fanaticism for ideological and domestic reasons.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-obviously-false-flag "gas attacks"? The timing was just so convenient! [0] Tell that "ethnic cleansing" bullshit to the Yazidis and Kurds. Those few who weren't butchered by ISIS are glad to see the internationally-recognized government of Syria in control again. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Potayto, potahto. What did we call Colin Powell back when he was circling the globe lying about WMDs? (He was good at it, because he had practice from lying about My Lai.) What do we call Pompeo now that he's circling the globe lying with his every breath? Pompeo was so sad his pet project ISIS went belly up, he forgot what business he's in. I wonder how many meetings he has on tarmacs in the Middle East? ...not very interesting... This is projection. Regurgitating 4yo propaganda that even USA war media has by now retracted convinces no one. By any measure, the Sauds are worse than the elected Iranian government. The reason we still menace the Middle East is not because some person did so and so to some other person in some place no one can find on a map. The reason is, we don't have democracy in USA, so we citizens can't force our government to bring the troops home. [0] https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-media-dupes-connecting-the-dates-on-russia-bounties-bombshell/ https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-me...

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yyyk 6y ago

That's exactly the same hypocrisy the OP is complaining about, just from the other direction. One faction of the West ignores Saudi's role in killing Yemenis; The other faction ignores Iran's role in killing Syrians. One faction ignores domestic repression in Saudi Arabia; the other ignores domestic repression in Iran. One ignores theocracy in Saudi, the other ignores theocracy in Iran. Both countries and both rulers of said countries should be international pariahs.

jessaustin 6y ago
Assuming I'm "OP" to whom you refer... I reject this false equivalence. That isn't to say that the government of Iran is perfect; no government is. However, it is entirely the fault of USA that Iran's government takes the form that it does currently. We should have left Mosaddegh alone. We shouldn't have helped the Shah kill religious and democracy protesters. We should not have sold Saddam weapons of mass destruction (and lots of other weapons too) with which to war with Iran. We should not shoot down their civilian airliners. We should abide by our treaties with Iran. We should not assassinate their diplomats while those diplomats are on diplomatic missions to nations we claim as allies. We especially shouldn't do that when the diplomat in question was the single human being most responsible for defeating ISIS, which was the actual threat to Syrian people. Iranian women have never lost their rights to drive, to appear in public, to have lives of their own. Iranian women and men both vote in elections to select their leaders. Iran has only fought defensive wars with its neighbors. Kingdom of Saudi compares very poorly in all these categories.
- yyyk 6y ago
  Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently). Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Of course, there's some flimsy excuses (the US once upon a time supported overthrowing someone the Islamists also helped overthrow, and there was a brutal 'security service' which the Islamists retained in full, adding a single letter to the name), but they're not very interesting. I could have run the same list of excuses for Saudi with different names and places, and it'd be the same apologia for a dictatorial theocracy which spreads fanaticism for ideological and domestic reasons.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-obviously-false-flag "gas attacks"? The timing was just so convenient! [0] Tell that "ethnic cleansing" bullshit to the Yazidis and Kurds. Those few who weren't butchered by ISIS are glad to see the internationally-recognized government of Syria in control again. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there. Potayto, potahto. What did we call Colin Powell back when he was circling the globe lying about WMDs? (He was good at it, because he had practice from lying about My Lai.) What do we call Pompeo now that he's circling the globe lying with his every breath? Pompeo was so sad his pet project ISIS went belly up, he forgot what business he's in. I wonder how many meetings he has on tarmacs in the Middle East? ...not very interesting... This is projection. Regurgitating 4yo propaganda that even USA war media has by now retracted convinces no one. By any measure, the Sauds are worse than the elected Iranian government. The reason we still menace the Middle East is not because some person did so and so to some other person in some place no one can find on a map. The reason is, we don't have democracy in USA, so we citizens can't force our government to bring the troops home. [0] https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-media-dupes-connecting-the-dates-on-russia-bounties-bombshell/ https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-me...