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> 1. allow all men to enter the same bathrooms as women, but stop calling them "women's bathrooms" Are you planning to enter a women's bathroom any time soon?
by joshuamorton 6y ago
> 1. allow all men to enter the same bathrooms as women, but stop calling them "women's bathrooms"
Are you planning to enter a women's bathroom any time soon? Do you plan to "self-identify" as a woman solely to go into a bathroom?
There's a great TikTok that makes fun of this concept, that goes a little something like this:
Would you be afraid if a man who identified as a woman was in the bathroom with you?
Why would I know?
Well you wouldn't, and that's the problem. There could be a penis nearby and you wouldn't know it!
So then why should I care?
Ultimately yes there are other solutions, such as having only gender-neutral restrooms, but the reasoning here only makes sense if you assume that either trans people are predators, or that there are enough people masquerading as trans people who are predators that the danger outweighs trans people's rights. Neither of those things appear to be true, and the whole "you assume trans people are predators" as part of the reasoning is important, it's the same kind of reasoning that was used against gay (usually men) for decades. "Trans bathroom danger" scares is this generations "gay men are going to come after your kids".
- DuskStar 6y ago"People who will use this access in an abusive fashion do not exist in significant numbers" is a valid rebuttal. "We can just add gender-neutral bathrooms" is either saying that the trans-rights folks "win" (situation #1) or that JK Rowling's side "wins" (situation #2), which is IMO not a valid rebuttal. (since it's either saying that changing labels will make things magically work, or conceding the point and saying that women and trans women should not share bathrooms) I don't have a horse in this race, but I dislike "that's a dogwhistle" getting used more and more to end arguments.
- joshuamorton 6y agoI specifically said only gender-neutral restrooms, not additionally ;)
- DuskStar 6y agoRight, that's what I was putting as my scenario #1. #2 is adding gender-neutral restrooms and not allowing trans women in women's restrooms.
- joshuamorton 6y agoAh, then I'd clarify that gendered restrooms based on self-identification are a different option distinct from calling all existing restrooms gender neutral.
- DuskStar 6y agoWell, of course! But the two scenarios were due to the upthread (GGP? something) suggestion that adding gender-neutral restrooms like SF did would resolve Rowling's complaints.
- zzo38computer 6y agoWell, I think the washrooms should be gender-neutral. That way, if one of them is full (or out of order), you can use another one. And if they only have one customer, then they don't need more than one washroom.