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I wish that Apple had better support for PWAs and allowed alternative rendering engines. The issue is that they are the only major player in mobile that cares a

I wish that Apple had better support for PWAs and allowed alternative rendering engines. The issue is that they are the only major player in mobile that cares about user privacy, and this allows them to maintain their monopoly for many users. If the option is Android + first-class support for PWAs vs. Apple with limited support for PWAs, I’ll go for the latter every time.

lern_too_spel 6y ago
The caring for privacy is only lip service. Consider that on iOS, you cannot get your location without also sending that location to Apple. You cannot install an app without telling Apple what you installed. You cannot install your own app on your device in a usable manner without giving banking details to Apple. You cannot subscribe to a service that has an associated app from that app without telling Apple that you've subscribed to it. To show how much it really cares, Apple moved Chinese users' data to allow the CCP unfettered access. Facebook also says it cares about privacy, and I consider both claims to be equally believable.
- millstone 6y ago
  This is a bad-faith distraction from the topic at hand. The privacy work that Apple has done on the web is real and significant. We know because ad pricing for Safari users has dropped 60%, while for Chrome users it's increased. That means tracking is working on Chrome and not Safari.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    GGP was talking about iOS devices specifically, and I showed how they are worse for privacy than their alternatives due to long-standing and long-complained-about practices by Apple. Do you disagree? You have not given any reason why anybody should. As far as ad prices, you are citing a report from 2019. Since then, Safari ITP has been thoroughly compromised to the point where it leaks more information when it's on than when it's off. Meanwhile, Chrome supports uBlock Origin, just like Firefox (and unlike Safari).
    - millstone 6y ago
      The report is from December 2019, it has relevance in July 2020. Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin. Mobile Safari prevents more tracking than Chrome, which is reflected in the lower ad prices. "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie.
      - lern_too_spel 6y ago
        > "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie. Saying that statement is a lie is itself a lie. https://www.imore.com/google-engineer-says-apples-intelligent-tracking-prevention-issue-has-not-been-fixed https://www.imore.com/google-engineer-says-apples-intelligen... The way that Apple addressed the ITP bugs is in fact a wonderful example of privacy lip service. > Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin. Android allows you to run actual Firefox, which does support uBlock Origin. As a bonus, it doesn't even require you to tell anybody that you have installed Firefox. That is what actual privacy looks like.

lern_too_spel 6y ago

The caring for privacy is only lip service. Consider that on iOS, you cannot get your location without also sending that location to Apple. You cannot install an app without telling Apple what you installed. You cannot install your own app on your device in a usable manner without giving banking details to Apple. You cannot subscribe to a service that has an associated app from that app without telling Apple that you've subscribed to it. To show how much it really cares, Apple moved Chinese users' data to allow the CCP unfettered access. Facebook also says it cares about privacy, and I consider both claims to be equally believable.

millstone 6y ago
This is a bad-faith distraction from the topic at hand. The privacy work that Apple has done on the web is real and significant. We know because ad pricing for Safari users has dropped 60%, while for Chrome users it's increased. That means tracking is working on Chrome and not Safari.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  GGP was talking about iOS devices specifically, and I showed how they are worse for privacy than their alternatives due to long-standing and long-complained-about practices by Apple. Do you disagree? You have not given any reason why anybody should. As far as ad prices, you are citing a report from 2019. Since then, Safari ITP has been thoroughly compromised to the point where it leaks more information when it's on than when it's off. Meanwhile, Chrome supports uBlock Origin, just like Firefox (and unlike Safari).
  - millstone 6y ago
    The report is from December 2019, it has relevance in July 2020. Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin. Mobile Safari prevents more tracking than Chrome, which is reflected in the lower ad prices. "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      > "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie. Saying that statement is a lie is itself a lie. https://www.imore.com/google-engineer-says-apples-intelligent-tracking-prevention-issue-has-not-been-fixed https://www.imore.com/google-engineer-says-apples-intelligen... The way that Apple addressed the ITP bugs is in fact a wonderful example of privacy lip service. > Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin. Android allows you to run actual Firefox, which does support uBlock Origin. As a bonus, it doesn't even require you to tell anybody that you have installed Firefox. That is what actual privacy looks like.