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>I'd rather pour water on every house than accidentally let a few burn down, especially since theres plenty of water for everybody. That's demonstrably false,

by sova 6y ago

>I'd rather pour water on every house than accidentally let a few burn down, especially since theres plenty of water for everybody. That's demonstrably false, which is where Economics comes from. "Limited Resources and Unlimited Wants." > Nobody questions printing a few 100 billion dollars for the military or a wall street bailout, but when it comes to protecting citizens suddenly we have a country full of accountants. Didn't say anything about Wallstreet or Military until now, what's your question? >Do you feel the same about other social services? That's misleading, as cash handouts are not in the same class. Money is a commodity and a currency. You're conflating two things as one. >Should the library only lend books to people under a certain income? Maybe if people make over 20k we can charge them to use the playground Do you eat books when you go to the library so the next person cannot use them, or do you return them so another human being can ocularize and assimilate the message? If you eat books, your argument is more cogent, but if you return them like every other savage then I don't understand your question. Social services are for society, guaranteed income is for people who don't have income of their own, or not enough to get by. Pardon the snarkiness, but I can draw a Venn Diagram if that helps.

schwartzworld 6y ago
> That's demonstrably false, which is where Economics comes from. "Limited Resources and Unlimited Wants." Money is not a limited resource. > what's your question? It's not really a question. We live in a country where huge amounts of money are spent on Wall Street and the military, and so-called fiscal conservatives have no problem with it. The talk of money as a limited resource ONLY occurs when the conversation is about helping people in need. > Money is a commodity and a currency. Money is not a commodity. You are literally using words that you don't know the meaning of. As to "money is a currency", I think I remember reading that on some pamphlets from the Department of Redundancy Department. > guaranteed income is for people who don't have income of their own, or not enough to get by My point is that means tests like this leave out people who are in need but don't necessarily qualify for the means test, and open the door to additional strawman arguments like "why would anybody work if they are getting UBI". Means testing requires infrastructure and process, both of which cost plenty of money. > If you eat books, your argument is more cogent, "Hurr durr. If I am deliberately obtuse, it'll feel like I won the argument." Translated that for you.
- sova 6y ago
  Money is in fact a commodity and currency. You can buy and sell money, as well as use it as a token for value transfer. This is a sincere fact, I don't know what's contentious about it. The supply of money is not "limited" but buying power is limited and money represents buying power.

by sova 6y ago

schwartzworld 6y ago

> That's demonstrably false, which is where Economics comes from. "Limited Resources and Unlimited Wants." Money is not a limited resource. > what's your question? It's not really a question. We live in a country where huge amounts of money are spent on Wall Street and the military, and so-called fiscal conservatives have no problem with it. The talk of money as a limited resource ONLY occurs when the conversation is about helping people in need. > Money is a commodity and a currency. Money is not a commodity. You are literally using words that you don't know the meaning of. As to "money is a currency", I think I remember reading that on some pamphlets from the Department of Redundancy Department. > guaranteed income is for people who don't have income of their own, or not enough to get by My point is that means tests like this leave out people who are in need but don't necessarily qualify for the means test, and open the door to additional strawman arguments like "why would anybody work if they are getting UBI". Means testing requires infrastructure and process, both of which cost plenty of money. > If you eat books, your argument is more cogent, "Hurr durr. If I am deliberately obtuse, it'll feel like I won the argument." Translated that for you.

sova 6y ago
Money is in fact a commodity and currency. You can buy and sell money, as well as use it as a token for value transfer. This is a sincere fact, I don't know what's contentious about it. The supply of money is not "limited" but buying power is limited and money represents buying power.