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They never said US bad. I think its totally reasonable to point out that there was a sudden, drastic shift in tone over the last 3-6 months. TikTok was gainin

by nxc18 6y ago

They never said US bad. I think its totally reasonable to point out that there was a sudden, drastic shift in tone over the last 3-6 months. TikTok was gaining popularity last summer, and no one, short of a few NYT op-eds, said anything. China is a geopolitical rival. We should probably aspire to be better than them first rather than copy them with an internet firewall and censorship of our own. One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'exactly the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do. edit: gendered language edit: updated quote for accuracy (absolutely->exactly)

president 6y ago
> China is a geopolitical rival. We should probably aspire to be better than them first rather than copy them with an internet firewall and censorship of our own. You fail to realize that allowing these apps will allow a foreign adversary to siphon data and act as a platform for spying. China has already demonstrated that their technology is not to be trusted. > One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'absolutely the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do. Fake news much? See the 2020 Uyghur Rights Act [1]. I have no idea where you came up with this. [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3744 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/374... EDIT: Since I have been blocked from replying, here is my response to your reply: > This claim originates in John Bolton's book [1] As you said, it is a claim, and has not been validated. By the way, the bill he signs has sanctioned a high-ranking member of the CCP Politburo among others so it not merely meant as a symbolic win.
- gerbal 6y ago
  > > One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'absolutely the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do. > Fake news much? See the 2020 Uyghur Rights Act [1]. I have no idea where you came up with this. This claim originates in John Bolton's book [1] Make of it what you will. Personally it seems pretty consistent. > At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564 https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trum...
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    Bolton is consistent. He has consistently been a warmongering villain. Like many other USA "international security experts" he has never shied away from lying in pursuit of his terrible goals. I'm not eager to believe a story from him that only Trump or Xi could contradict, if they even cared to do so. But sure, Trump could have said it. He could say anything at any time. As he sees it, he got elected by promising to bully minorities. In office, he has bullied minorities. It's not surprising that during negotiations he would attempt to find common ground through shared appreciation of commonplace governmental activities.

by nxc18 6y ago

president 6y ago

> China is a geopolitical rival. We should probably aspire to be better than them first rather than copy them with an internet firewall and censorship of our own. You fail to realize that allowing these apps will allow a foreign adversary to siphon data and act as a platform for spying. China has already demonstrated that their technology is not to be trusted. > One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'absolutely the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do. Fake news much? See the 2020 Uyghur Rights Act [1]. I have no idea where you came up with this. [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3744 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/374... EDIT: Since I have been blocked from replying, here is my response to your reply: > This claim originates in John Bolton's book [1] As you said, it is a claim, and has not been validated. By the way, the bill he signs has sanctioned a high-ranking member of the CCP Politburo among others so it not merely meant as a symbolic win.

gerbal 6y ago
> > One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'absolutely the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do. > Fake news much? See the 2020 Uyghur Rights Act [1]. I have no idea where you came up with this. This claim originates in John Bolton's book [1] Make of it what you will. Personally it seems pretty consistent. > At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564 https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trum...
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Bolton is consistent. He has consistently been a warmongering villain. Like many other USA "international security experts" he has never shied away from lying in pursuit of his terrible goals. I'm not eager to believe a story from him that only Trump or Xi could contradict, if they even cared to do so. But sure, Trump could have said it. He could say anything at any time. As he sees it, he got elected by promising to bully minorities. In office, he has bullied minorities. It's not surprising that during negotiations he would attempt to find common ground through shared appreciation of commonplace governmental activities.