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No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed. If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you wi
by yumraj 6y ago
No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed.
If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you will have that right, it's just that you won't be able to access company emails from that device.
Now, whether or not that leads to a company phone or you having to look for another job, depends on the individual and how important that individual is to the company.
- chooseaname 6y agoIf any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. I never mix work and personal. I've also never had a company say no to that.
- cheonic729 6y ago> If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. No they don't. If you don't like it, switch employers.
- Assumer 6y agoPretty sure that's what he's saying. The company gets to choose between dropping the requirement, providing a phone or hiring/retraining.
- sdoering 6y agoDepends on the jurisdiction. In Germany they do. Labor rights explicitly says that your employer needs to provide the means for you to do your work. And that includes mobile phones if they want you to access your work email (or whatever) from a mobile device.
- GekkePrutser 6y agoYes they do... The problem is some users in Germany actually prefer to use their personal one so they don't have to carry two.. But due to this mindset they can't. I don't think the German approach is always the best.
- sdoering 6y agoSorry for the late reply. I use only one. I have a dual SIM phone with a clear separation. So I call private contacts from private SIM, business contacts from business SIM. I have Apps separated into business and private and the respective profiles are in place. Business partition (so to speak) is managed by employer. Private partition is MDMed by myself. So I have both worlds - in one device. If my employer decides to delete the business partition. I have exactly no problem with that (we tested it and it worked like a charm - private data wasn't affected. We also tested access to private data being nil).
- chooseaname 6y agoI don't think you understood. I _would_ switch jobs. That's what I meant by they have to.
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- lovich 6y agoAdding another anecdote, when I said I did not want to let work control my mobile phone, my boss told me I could figure out whether I wanted to keep the job or not
- sillysaurusx 6y agoSwitch jobs! Environments like that will grind down your soul. Or at least they did for mine. Perhaps I'm projecting a little, but: please don't feel like you're stuck there. It's an illusion more often than not.
- lovich 6y agoPerhaps when I was younger I would, and did, switch jobs immediately when something like that came up. I've gotten older and the cost of switching jobs is not zero for me anymore
- scarface74 6y agoSwitch from a well paying job instead of just getting another cheap phone? Of all the hills I am willing to die on, getting another phone isn’t one. Especially if they provide a credit for your cell phone. https://www.teamblind.com/post/Amazon-Cell-Phone-Reimbursement-OBDqT5Dy https://www.teamblind.com/post/Amazon-Cell-Phone-Reimburseme...
- sdoering 6y agoI agree with my co-commenter. At least in Germany your employer isn't allowed to do this. They must provide the means to do your work, if they have specific requirements (having a mobile phone, being reachable, accessing company email and so on).
- lovich 6y agoWell I am commenting from America and there is very little they cant do unless they go out of their way to officially state they are doing it for an illegal reason
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- RobRivera 6y agoThat framing is the exact point. I'm in the same boat. If my employer mandated that I not be able to use a personal device the way i want, a device I bought with wages i earned from working with my employer, the employer really SHOULD provide a cost free alternative. It falls under the category of providing your own resources to do your job, and that territory enters socioeconomic discrimination territory real quick.
- ghaff 6y agoI might be with you if Uber, say, is requiring its drivers to install MDM--which I'm guessing would be a really bad idea for their drivers-not-employees position. But for engineers and other office workers at tech companies? As a practical matter, people have to buy lots of things to do professional jobs that they wouldn't need to buy without those jobs. In this day and age, if you want a second phone, buying a few year old phone is cheap as is adding another phone to your existing cellular account in most cases.
- RobRivera 6y agoWasnt there a recent supreme court ruling regarding the Native Americans of Oklahoma that said something to the effect of 'just because you keep doing an evil, doesnt make it right, and letting it be right is an injustice to those in the right'?
- ghaff 6y agoYou have to dress into the office—albeit many don’t wear suits any longer. Many have to drive. Those who travel a lot need many accessories for the purpose. The ideas that well-paid professionals should have all these things covered by a company seems... unreasonable. And, seriously, complaining about having to spend a few bucks for something you need at work is equivalent to circumstances around Indian treaties in the US?
- RobRivera 6y agoIt's rude to ridicule another's opinion online when they are discussing in good faith. Present data, differ in opinion, but don't ridicule. It's below you.