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> The engineer in me finds this painful and wants to scream inside, but empirically this does work.. If it doesn't make sense it's because it makes dollars...

aspenmayer 6y ago
This one is going in my memo book!
ricopags 6y ago
Any attribution for that quote? Because I am going to steal it. Is it just a transposition of "If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense" which I see as a headline a few places?
- niea_11 6y ago
  It made me think of a rap song by DJ Quick : If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense https://genius.com/Dj-quik-dollaz-sense-lyrics https://genius.com/Dj-quik-dollaz-sense-lyrics
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  I first heard it in an MC Plus+ song: https://lyrics.fandom.com/wiki/MC_Plus%2B:Plastic_Actuals https://lyrics.fandom.com/wiki/MC_Plus%2B:Plastic_Actuals It’s also a pun: “sense” / “cents”.
Swizec 6y ago
It makes sense. Enterprise sales processes are very very long and hand-holdy. The final price is very dependent on the amount of value a product brings to this particular organization. It also involves lots of negotiation. None of those fit in a pricing page. Maybe as a very dynamic calculator it could work, but it's likely the person looking at the page doesn't even have enough context/info to fill out the calculator.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  Azure and AWS both have straightforward pricing calculators on their websites though.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    But if you are a large enterprise, you’re not going to just pay list price.
    - sulam 6y ago
      I don't know about Azure, but AWS is also very transparent with their volume discounts. You know exactly what price you're going to get, without talking to sales. And they don't negotiate those discounts. (At least they don't up to the $50M / yr level, which is the highest I've directly observed.)
  - Swizec 6y ago
    Which is why a whole industry exists focused solely on helping you understand your AWS bill and how to optimize it. Right?
youeseh 6y ago
Premature optimization is the root of all evil. If you don't need to automate, then don't automate!
- bretpiatt 6y ago
  The interesting bit on this is Rackspace was actually the first build-to-order "Configure a Server [with pricing]" on the Internet in 1998: https://web.archive.org/web/20000302000851/http://www.rackspace.com/goconfigure/pricing.php3 https://web.archive.org/web/20000302000851/http://www.racksp...

aspenmayer 6y ago

This one is going in my memo book!

ricopags 6y ago

Any attribution for that quote? Because I am going to steal it. Is it just a transposition of "If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense" which I see as a headline a few places?

niea_11 6y ago
It made me think of a rap song by DJ Quick : If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense https://genius.com/Dj-quik-dollaz-sense-lyrics https://genius.com/Dj-quik-dollaz-sense-lyrics
DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
I first heard it in an MC Plus+ song: https://lyrics.fandom.com/wiki/MC_Plus%2B:Plastic_Actuals https://lyrics.fandom.com/wiki/MC_Plus%2B:Plastic_Actuals It’s also a pun: “sense” / “cents”.

Swizec 6y ago

It makes sense. Enterprise sales processes are very very long and hand-holdy. The final price is very dependent on the amount of value a product brings to this particular organization. It also involves lots of negotiation. None of those fit in a pricing page. Maybe as a very dynamic calculator it could work, but it's likely the person looking at the page doesn't even have enough context/info to fill out the calculator.

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
Azure and AWS both have straightforward pricing calculators on their websites though.
- scarface74 6y ago
  But if you are a large enterprise, you’re not going to just pay list price.
  - sulam 6y ago
    I don't know about Azure, but AWS is also very transparent with their volume discounts. You know exactly what price you're going to get, without talking to sales. And they don't negotiate those discounts. (At least they don't up to the $50M / yr level, which is the highest I've directly observed.)
- Swizec 6y ago
  Which is why a whole industry exists focused solely on helping you understand your AWS bill and how to optimize it. Right?

youeseh 6y ago

Premature optimization is the root of all evil. If you don't need to automate, then don't automate!

bretpiatt 6y ago
The interesting bit on this is Rackspace was actually the first build-to-order "Configure a Server [with pricing]" on the Internet in 1998: https://web.archive.org/web/20000302000851/http://www.rackspace.com/goconfigure/pricing.php3 https://web.archive.org/web/20000302000851/http://www.racksp...