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We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines. Maybe you could discuss whether classical computers could achieve AGI, but I think over

We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines. Maybe you could discuss whether classical computers could achieve AGI, but I think overall the quest is to build machines with AGI, not necessarily in the form of classical computers.

hutzlibu 6y ago
"We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines." I believe, it is disputed, whether humans are just machines. But it is mostly a matter of definition, I believe.
- baddox 6y ago
  To claim otherwise is to claim that there is some barrier beyond which scientific inquiry is not allowed to cross or is incapable of crossing. The epistemological status of such a claim is roughly equivalent to explaining something about the Universe by saying "it's because God did it."
  - jqpabc123 6y ago
    No. It is not necessarily a claim that it can't be crossed, it is a claim that we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to cross it. We haven't figured out how to travel faster than the speed of light. That doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done. But we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to do it.
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    Nothing to do with god. Machine comes from mechanic and there is doubt, that general artificial intelligence can be achieved with a mechanical base. But if you define any complex systema machine, then yeah sure, we humans are machines. Therefore GAI can be achieved with machines. Tautological proof.
- quibbler 6y ago
  There are of course people who believe something supernatural (a soul) is involved.
bena 6y ago
> We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines. Are we? How do you know this? Define "general intelligence". Then prove we have it. Then demonstrate that this definition that includes us doesn't include something commonly accepted to not have the same qualities. Also, if we don't have "general intelligence", what does that mean?
- quibbler 6y ago
  I don't feel answering your questions would help much in making progress towards creating intelligent machines. Being able to create machines with human level intelligence would be amazing. I took AGI as a shortcut for meaning that. If it doesn't, ok, whatever - I think human level intelligence should be the next goal, no matter how you call it. Many people contest that human level intelligence is impossible for machines to achieve. Imo existence of humans demonstrates it is possible.
goatlover 6y ago
> humans are such machines. Humans are animals. Part of the paper defends the notion that a lot of human intelligence is tacit based on being embodied in the world as a living organism. The idea that humans are biological robots is only one that came about as metaphor when we created machines and some similarities were noted.
- mcguire 6y ago
  Are quadriplegic people "human"?
  - rutherblood 6y ago
    from what I understand being "embodied" doesn't necessarily imply movement, but I am afraid even I do not understand it fully to say a computer isn't and an animal is.
- quibbler 6y ago
  What does "embodied in the world as a living organism" even mean? Being embodied as a machine wouldn't be sufficient? Living organisms are "just" machines. I also don't see any reason why embodyment should be a prerequisite for thinking.

hutzlibu 6y ago

"We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines." I believe, it is disputed, whether humans are just machines. But it is mostly a matter of definition, I believe.

baddox 6y ago
To claim otherwise is to claim that there is some barrier beyond which scientific inquiry is not allowed to cross or is incapable of crossing. The epistemological status of such a claim is roughly equivalent to explaining something about the Universe by saying "it's because God did it."
- jqpabc123 6y ago
  No. It is not necessarily a claim that it can't be crossed, it is a claim that we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to cross it. We haven't figured out how to travel faster than the speed of light. That doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done. But we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to do it.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Nothing to do with god. Machine comes from mechanic and there is doubt, that general artificial intelligence can be achieved with a mechanical base. But if you define any complex systema machine, then yeah sure, we humans are machines. Therefore GAI can be achieved with machines. Tautological proof.
quibbler 6y ago
There are of course people who believe something supernatural (a soul) is involved.

bena 6y ago

> We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines. Are we? How do you know this? Define "general intelligence". Then prove we have it. Then demonstrate that this definition that includes us doesn't include something commonly accepted to not have the same qualities. Also, if we don't have "general intelligence", what does that mean?

quibbler 6y ago
I don't feel answering your questions would help much in making progress towards creating intelligent machines. Being able to create machines with human level intelligence would be amazing. I took AGI as a shortcut for meaning that. If it doesn't, ok, whatever - I think human level intelligence should be the next goal, no matter how you call it. Many people contest that human level intelligence is impossible for machines to achieve. Imo existence of humans demonstrates it is possible.

goatlover 6y ago

> humans are such machines. Humans are animals. Part of the paper defends the notion that a lot of human intelligence is tacit based on being embodied in the world as a living organism. The idea that humans are biological robots is only one that came about as metaphor when we created machines and some similarities were noted.

mcguire 6y ago
Are quadriplegic people "human"?
- rutherblood 6y ago
  from what I understand being "embodied" doesn't necessarily imply movement, but I am afraid even I do not understand it fully to say a computer isn't and an animal is.
quibbler 6y ago
What does "embodied in the world as a living organism" even mean? Being embodied as a machine wouldn't be sufficient? Living organisms are "just" machines. I also don't see any reason why embodyment should be a prerequisite for thinking.