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Just my 2c, I have no foot in the game. I think the difference is that laws aren't proposed or created based on programmers being lazy (to follow your analogy)

Just my 2c, I have no foot in the game. I think the difference is that laws aren't proposed or created based on programmers being lazy (to follow your analogy). However, there /are/ laws denying fundamental rights of, say, LGBT people (marriage, etc.). That might be boiled down to "denies their fundamental right to exist" in a heated debate.

roenxi 6y ago
If I insisted on labelling all women as men they'd have a right to exist. Men and women both have a right to exist and a valuable place in society. The basic position is crazy nonsense. It is so stupid that I doubt the trans people actually came up with it. They likely have a more nuanced view of their own existence - potentially even defined by their accomplishments rather than their gender. Perish the thought.
- ziddoap 6y ago
  You are taking an extremely literal position on the word "exist", which may be where your disconnect is coming from. Let's say you are LGBT in a place that denies you certain medical care, marriage (and associated tax/estate benefits), denial from many stores, etc. Alongside other discrimination. Yes, you still /literally/ exist. But you also have an argument to say that your existence is not valued as much as others, and many parts of existing (see above examples) are denied to you. It's a bit more pithy to say that your right to exist is being challenged, than having to dance around your extremely literal definition of existing.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    > But you also have an argument to say that your existence is not valued as much as others, and many parts of existing (see above examples) are denied to you. I'm a man. I didn't make any special choice to be a man. I got labelled from birth, same as most of the other men. Someone may not like me enforcing the same standards on them as I do myself, or may think the standard unreasonable, but they aren't being valued any less if I apply a standard to them that I do to myself. And it isn't an argument or slogan I've heard any actual trans people making; they tend to have non-metaphorical complaints.
    - ziddoap 6y ago
      >Someone may not like me enforcing the same standards on them as I do myself, The same standards are not being applied to different groups, that's the whole point as I understand it.

roenxi 6y ago

If I insisted on labelling all women as men they'd have a right to exist. Men and women both have a right to exist and a valuable place in society. The basic position is crazy nonsense. It is so stupid that I doubt the trans people actually came up with it. They likely have a more nuanced view of their own existence - potentially even defined by their accomplishments rather than their gender. Perish the thought.

ziddoap 6y ago
You are taking an extremely literal position on the word "exist", which may be where your disconnect is coming from. Let's say you are LGBT in a place that denies you certain medical care, marriage (and associated tax/estate benefits), denial from many stores, etc. Alongside other discrimination. Yes, you still /literally/ exist. But you also have an argument to say that your existence is not valued as much as others, and many parts of existing (see above examples) are denied to you. It's a bit more pithy to say that your right to exist is being challenged, than having to dance around your extremely literal definition of existing.
- roenxi 6y ago
  > But you also have an argument to say that your existence is not valued as much as others, and many parts of existing (see above examples) are denied to you. I'm a man. I didn't make any special choice to be a man. I got labelled from birth, same as most of the other men. Someone may not like me enforcing the same standards on them as I do myself, or may think the standard unreasonable, but they aren't being valued any less if I apply a standard to them that I do to myself. And it isn't an argument or slogan I've heard any actual trans people making; they tend to have non-metaphorical complaints.
  - ziddoap 6y ago
    >Someone may not like me enforcing the same standards on them as I do myself, The same standards are not being applied to different groups, that's the whole point as I understand it.