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"were pre-emptively disrupted" Says the FBI, with a conflict of interest large enought to drive a big truck full of fertilizer though in publishing these thing

"were pre-emptively disrupted" Says the FBI, with a conflict of interest large enought to drive a big truck full of fertilizer though in publishing these things. They also have a varified history of lying through their teeth.

darawk 6y ago
So, you're simply unwilling to accept any evidence on the subject? Do you have any evidence at all to support your perspective?
- minerjoe 6y ago
  Sorry, I believe the burden of proof is on you to show credible non-governement evidence that the FBI has stopped just some of the numerous terrorist you are referring. Bring out FBI press-releases and the like and I'll just have to point you at the many FBI statements from the past that are now obviously blatent fabricated lies.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > many FBI statements from the past that are now obviously blatent fabricated lies. You mean like the entire practice of forensic fiber analysis, which they were forced to cop to after the fact: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-testimony-on-microscopic-hair-analysis-contained-errors-in-at-least-90-percent-of-cases-in-ongoing-review https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-testimo...
  - darawk 6y ago
    These are just isolated demands for rigor. I gave you a concrete list. You're welcome to dispute any of them on the actual facts. Until then, I think we're done here.
    - minerjoe 6y ago
      You gave me a press release from an organizaion that has a history of being deceptive. Why would I, or anybody, take it as a "concrete list?" The thread of discussion here is that the FBI needs to have broad survaillance capabilities to catch crime before it occurs. The list you gave has verly little support for that in that almost all of the acts in the list were not stopped due to any survaillance, but rather invesigations after the fact. You could assert that they might have been stopped, but that is conjecture.
      - darawk 6y ago
        If you ctrl+f for the word 'plot', you'll find the ones that were disrupted prior to execution. They don't spell it out, for obvious reasons, but generally some sort of surveillance is involved.

darawk 6y ago

So, you're simply unwilling to accept any evidence on the subject? Do you have any evidence at all to support your perspective?

minerjoe 6y ago
Sorry, I believe the burden of proof is on you to show credible non-governement evidence that the FBI has stopped just some of the numerous terrorist you are referring. Bring out FBI press-releases and the like and I'll just have to point you at the many FBI statements from the past that are now obviously blatent fabricated lies.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > many FBI statements from the past that are now obviously blatent fabricated lies. You mean like the entire practice of forensic fiber analysis, which they were forced to cop to after the fact: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-testimony-on-microscopic-hair-analysis-contained-errors-in-at-least-90-percent-of-cases-in-ongoing-review https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-testimo...
- darawk 6y ago
  These are just isolated demands for rigor. I gave you a concrete list. You're welcome to dispute any of them on the actual facts. Until then, I think we're done here.
  - minerjoe 6y ago
    You gave me a press release from an organizaion that has a history of being deceptive. Why would I, or anybody, take it as a "concrete list?" The thread of discussion here is that the FBI needs to have broad survaillance capabilities to catch crime before it occurs. The list you gave has verly little support for that in that almost all of the acts in the list were not stopped due to any survaillance, but rather invesigations after the fact. You could assert that they might have been stopped, but that is conjecture.
    - darawk 6y ago
      If you ctrl+f for the word 'plot', you'll find the ones that were disrupted prior to execution. They don't spell it out, for obvious reasons, but generally some sort of surveillance is involved.