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Where does this us-vs-them, "descend into general chaos" interpretation come from aside from petty identity politics (which I give HN users the benefit of the d

Where does this us-vs-them, "descend into general chaos" interpretation come from aside from petty identity politics (which I give HN users the benefit of the doubt about)? To be clear: I mean as opposed to giving people the benefit of the doubt - that people are, in general, acting on best information and that any urgency you perceive is an understandable result of it being a life and death situation. "Descending" into "chaos" is such a common attack on - what? People buying too much toilet paper? Orders to wear masks? It seems so unnecessarily hyperdramatic and divisive. Edit: For context, I admit the devastation to life from both "sides". But I have no strong conclusion either way - I can't figure out if we're erring on too much lockdown or too little lockdown so far.

guscost 6y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-at... https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931 https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931 https://agoodwar.com/the-ban-on-elective-procedures-is-killing-more-people-than-covid-19 https://agoodwar.com/the-ban-on-elective-procedures-is-killi... https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-tale-of-two-epidemics-when-covid-19-and-opioid-addiction-collide-2020042019569 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-tale-of-two-epidemics-... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2764584 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/295664 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/295664 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/14/isolated-uk-care-home-residents-fading-away-say-staff-and-families https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/14/isolated-uk-... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/13/hospitals-seeing-more-severe-child-abuse-injuries-during-coronavirus/3116395001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/13/hospit... https://www.businessinsider.com/school-closures-may-not-prevent-coronavirus-spread-experts-say-2020-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/school-closures-may-not-prev...
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  This appears to just be articles about examples of the harm of the lockdown, which isn't what I asked about, nor did I deny it. Another person could just as easily post examples of the direct harm of the virus and call it "descending into chaos" because we didn't lock down enough. The point is to be rational.
  - guscost 6y ago
    Those effects don't amount to "general chaos" when compared to a normal flu season? I'll admit it's a little hyperbolic, as is my style. But in many parts of the country (mostly the parts where HN users don't live, naturally), "general chaos" is already not hyperbole: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-crime-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-cri...

guscost 6y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-attacks-strokes-and-even-appendicitis-vanish-from-hospitals/2020/04/19/9ca3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/patients-with-heart-at... https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931 https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931 https://agoodwar.com/the-ban-on-elective-procedures-is-killing-more-people-than-covid-19 https://agoodwar.com/the-ban-on-elective-procedures-is-killi... https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-tale-of-two-epidemics-when-covid-19-and-opioid-addiction-collide-2020042019569 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-tale-of-two-epidemics-... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2764584 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/295664 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/295664 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/14/isolated-uk-care-home-residents-fading-away-say-staff-and-families https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/14/isolated-uk-... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/13/hospitals-seeing-more-severe-child-abuse-injuries-during-coronavirus/3116395001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/13/hospit... https://www.businessinsider.com/school-closures-may-not-prevent-coronavirus-spread-experts-say-2020-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/school-closures-may-not-prev...

happytoexplain 6y ago
This appears to just be articles about examples of the harm of the lockdown, which isn't what I asked about, nor did I deny it. Another person could just as easily post examples of the direct harm of the virus and call it "descending into chaos" because we didn't lock down enough. The point is to be rational.
- guscost 6y ago
  Those effects don't amount to "general chaos" when compared to a normal flu season? I'll admit it's a little hyperbolic, as is my style. But in many parts of the country (mostly the parts where HN users don't live, naturally), "general chaos" is already not hyperbole: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-crime-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-cri...