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A very limited/ target sanction against a few members. They should actually freeze the foreign assets of all Politburo members and work on technologies to circu
by Leary 6y ago
A very limited/ target sanction against a few members. They should actually freeze the foreign assets of all Politburo members and work on technologies to circumvent the Great Fire wall inside China
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoWe don't need any more escalation. The anti-China hysteria in the West is getting really out-of-hand. This is dangerous stuff.
- TulliusCicero 6y agoThere's some hysteria, but there's also plenty of reasons to be highly wary of China, genocide of Uighurs among them.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoCalling it "genocide" is one of the ways the hysteria manifests itself.
- Retric 6y agoNo genocide is the correct term, the Chinese government is actively trying to destroy a group which is what genocide means. The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to "bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.[4][5][6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide Chinese actions to reduce births for example are very well documented.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago"Genocide" is a very serious term, and throwing it around lightly, as people are doing in this case, trivializes it.
- hkmaxpro 6y agoWhat China is doing to Uighurs qualifies as genocide > [The atrocity in Xinjiang] very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948, which specifically says the suppression of birth. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-o... HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739567
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoYou can redefine words if you want, but you're devaluing then in the process. In this case, people are doing this in order to whip up further hysteria. I recall in 2011, when Western media promoted false claims of genocide in Libya, in order to justify the bombing of the country and the overthrow of its government. Same thing in Iraq in 2003. There's a pattern here.
- TulliusCicero 6y agoAh yes, "redefining" them by quoting the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoIf you're going to compare China's enforcement of the 2-3 child rule in Xinjiang to the Holocaust, then there has to be a new word to describe the Holocaust, because those two things do not belong in the same category. There are consequences to this sort of demonization. You're supporting a hysteria that has a good chance of leading to war.
- simonblack 6y agoThat's no different from The US's 'Manifest Destiny' and displacing of the Native Americans.
- TulliusCicero 6y agoYes, and if the US was forcibly sterilizing Native Americans en masse right now, I would consider that equally outrageous. And to be sure, America's government does plenty of terrible things as it is.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y agoIt’s different in that it was such a long time ago people still had horse and buggies