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They've optimized it for the least common denominator, not for specialized use or for power users. Short term this is a positive approach as it's more approacha

They've optimized it for the least common denominator, not for specialized use or for power users. Short term this is a positive approach as it's more approachable for people who are just learning or are very lightweight users. But for people who have a lot of experience or use it often, it's a serious regression.

airstrike 6y ago
I'm a "Power User" and I've memorized every single hotkey on the Excel ribbon interface to the point that I don't care where they are. Wrap text? Alt H A W Open settings? Alt T F T Change to page break view? Alt W I. Go back to normal view with Alt W L Take the border I currently have on the top edge of a cell and swap it to the bottom? Alt H B M Alt+T Alt+B Paste values transposing? Alt H V S V E. Want to follow the old accelerator? Alt E S V E also works Power users don't need to care what the ribbon / menu looks like. They learn hotkeys.
- oblio 6y ago
  On top of that, old shortcuts still work. For menus that disappeared more than a decade ago!!
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  I'm an emacs user. You have made me feel warm inside.
  - smabie 6y ago
    Emacs is a lot like Excel in many ways: they both make you feel like wizards. I suck at excel, but I've seen some analysts who are crazy good at it. You watch them use it and numbers and shit just start appearing out of nowhere. It's pure magic!
vikramkr 6y ago
power users have macros and hotkeys. I've met plenty of excel power users, and I haven't met many excel power users that click on anything in the ribbon all that often. Maybe it's different since they're bankers and the amount of time they're spending on spreadsheets is an order of magnitude more than other people that could still be called power users but maybe don't have their lives revolve around excel and powerpoint, but hotkeys and macros are where its at
- XorNot 6y ago
  Except this is where the intermediate user point becomes valuable: if you spend close to all your time in spreadsheets, then yeah, sure, you're probably in hot key land. Of course that's discounting the idea that a power user would still want to customize their UI to get less frequently used but still common functions into view and keep them there. Which is what I, an intermediate user, definitely want: at the time the ribbon happened I was in chemistry research. Excel and Word are important parts of that process! And having them work the way I want was valuable to me. Just not so valuable that I needed to learn a huge number of hotkeys. And yet somehow, the ribbon manages to still be in the way rather then letting me keep a productive, dense UI in view for when I am in those tools - which I'm definitely not in all the time since most of the actual job is being in the lab. The Formatting/Reviewing split was one of the most irritating possible things as a result of the ribbon: I can't keep the formatting tools in view alongside the Reviewing tools? Like, what?

airstrike 6y ago

I'm a "Power User" and I've memorized every single hotkey on the Excel ribbon interface to the point that I don't care where they are. Wrap text? Alt H A W Open settings? Alt T F T Change to page break view? Alt W I. Go back to normal view with Alt W L Take the border I currently have on the top edge of a cell and swap it to the bottom? Alt H B M Alt+T Alt+B Paste values transposing? Alt H V S V E. Want to follow the old accelerator? Alt E S V E also works Power users don't need to care what the ribbon / menu looks like. They learn hotkeys.

oblio 6y ago
On top of that, old shortcuts still work. For menus that disappeared more than a decade ago!!
throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
I'm an emacs user. You have made me feel warm inside.
- smabie 6y ago
  Emacs is a lot like Excel in many ways: they both make you feel like wizards. I suck at excel, but I've seen some analysts who are crazy good at it. You watch them use it and numbers and shit just start appearing out of nowhere. It's pure magic!

vikramkr 6y ago

power users have macros and hotkeys. I've met plenty of excel power users, and I haven't met many excel power users that click on anything in the ribbon all that often. Maybe it's different since they're bankers and the amount of time they're spending on spreadsheets is an order of magnitude more than other people that could still be called power users but maybe don't have their lives revolve around excel and powerpoint, but hotkeys and macros are where its at

XorNot 6y ago
Except this is where the intermediate user point becomes valuable: if you spend close to all your time in spreadsheets, then yeah, sure, you're probably in hot key land. Of course that's discounting the idea that a power user would still want to customize their UI to get less frequently used but still common functions into view and keep them there. Which is what I, an intermediate user, definitely want: at the time the ribbon happened I was in chemistry research. Excel and Word are important parts of that process! And having them work the way I want was valuable to me. Just not so valuable that I needed to learn a huge number of hotkeys. And yet somehow, the ribbon manages to still be in the way rather then letting me keep a productive, dense UI in view for when I am in those tools - which I'm definitely not in all the time since most of the actual job is being in the lab. The Formatting/Reviewing split was one of the most irritating possible things as a result of the ribbon: I can't keep the formatting tools in view alongside the Reviewing tools? Like, what?