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We should not shame people - that should be enough on its own IMHO :)
by hippich 6y ago
We should not shame people - that should be enough on its own IMHO :)
- harryf 6y agoIs that truly an absolute? “You we’re texting and driving. You could have killed someone!” And if you genuinely believe people posting selfies are narcissists, does this mean you should ignore and keep quiet?
- hippich 6y agoI can see why would you care about texting and driving (and why there are laws against it). Why would you care about selfies?
- ghostpepper 6y agoAre we talking about whether it's morally defensible to shame someone for doing something irresponsible (like texting and driving) or whether it's actually likely to change their behavior (ie. whether it's good for society). The latter does not seem to clear cut; there are likely better, more positive ways to change behavior. Shame is more likely to make the person get better at hiding their irresponsible behavior, which is actually counterproductive for society. I'm still not convinced that shame is ever a useful tool.
- asa4akj 6y agoCompletely disagree. Shame is a very potent society shaping factor. Without it humans wouldn't be as civilized. So we should just use shame appropriately.
- hippich 6y agoIntuitively, I agree with potential shaping factor. But shaming making people civilized - that certainly deserves a citation. But that's all besides the point. Judging by myself only of course, I seriously doubt people shame others because of the duty to higher purpose (making people civilized).
- vageli 6y agoShame is a way to impose social norms without violence. To me it is intuitive that shame is a fundamental tool used to organize groups, especially when thinking about the formation of more primitive societies. Not intended to replace a citation, just my two cents.
- soared 6y agoA sportscaster recently talked about how great public shaming is. Athletes who make dumb tweets learn better if they’re publicly shamed rather than when they are suspended from playing. That makes sense to me - do something dumb socially, the repercussions should be social as well.
- nitrogen 6y agoThis is definitely a position that is easier to hold in a position of privilege/popularity. Shaming has rather drastic negative consequences, especially in communities that shame intelligence, education, gender, race, neurotype, etc.
- pc86 6y agoI don't think anyone here implied shaming doesn't have [potentially negative] consequences. It's a non-violent tool to shape societal or group norms. If you are in a shitty group (e.g. one that shames education), that doesn't change the argument.
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